How long before Compact Diesels are obsolete?

[ovrszd]

We all have to step back and analysis the information we are being fed by the media. Everything we read is spoon fed by one side or the other. Hard to get the facts.....

 

[Hay Dude]

China has branched out and is building coal fired plants in Turkey, Vietnam, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Egypt and the Philippines. Even Saudi Arabia is set to build a mega plant.

They (China) have retired some outdated plants to building new mega plants. China became a major player in the world economic climate with energy from coal. They are not going to change from that standpoint. No matter what the UN is preaching.

I have no problems with cleaner, more renewable energy, so long as its not forced on us through mandates. It needs to become an economically viable alternative to ICEs FIRST, through a capitalistic system. It needs to be proven cheaper and cleaner in all aspects before we are forced to comply and walk away from ICEs.
If China wants to burn coal, lets mine it and sell it to them. As much as they want. Keeps our great mining companies in business and employing Americans.
I have a problem with folks wagging a finger in my face in THIS country about ICEs and not do it to the Aisian countries who burn wood, coal and pollute like its no big deal.

 

[MossRoad]

I'm not saying it's perfect, just noting it may be closer than we think. And that generator running for 8 hours is probably going to be charging more than one machine. And with the operating costs supposedly being lower, (although initial investment will be higher) there may be savings involved eventually. I'm sure I'll not live to see it as normal.

Wouldn't surprise me if you did see it in your lifetime. My grandma was born in 1896 and saw so much. Heck, I was born in 1961 and I've seen some pretty neat stuff. Can't wait to see what's next.

 

[Jstpssng]

Let the believers support the research, just as they are doing in automobiles. After a while it will become a fad pumping more money into the product.

 

[MossRoad]

The idea that diesel generators will be needed to charge electric construction vehicles, yes, that would be ridiculous, but I doubt necessary in many places. Getting serious juice to most construction sites should be much easier than getting it onto farms, imho, and you even have John Deere building concept very large farm tractors that run off "extension cords" now. Whether or not that actually comes to pass, I don't know, but getting serious juice to construction vehicles, even while they're running, should be a much easier task.

I want to thank all who have commented here.

I'm sticking by my guns, and I'm going to say here that within a decade most CUTs sold new will be battery electric, and they will be comparable to or less expensive than diesels in price. Plug in hybrids in cars seemed like a good idea a few years ago, but mostly are being bypassed for true EVs now, and I don't expect the plug-in hybrid concept to fly with tractors due to the cost of having an engine generator onboard.

Remember too that the tier 4 emissions have added serious cost to diesels, and that isn't likely to go away. Just look at the Kubota L2501 for a tractor that is seriously underpowered for its size and weight and likely wouldn't even exist if it weren't for the 26 hp entry into the extra doodads.

I think they'll be more expensive in price. CASE already said it will be more expensive. Your cost savings will be in maintenance and fuel. And that's on a piece of industrial equipment. A home owner is gonna be a hard sell for a more expensive machine that can't run a full day when needed.

 

[fried1765]

I have a 1964 Fordson Super Major, the last year for Fordson.

The original Ford built tractor, commonly described as a Fordson, has steel wheels!
Your 1964 Ford tractor has steel wheels?

 

[ericm979]

It's not like one day everyone will switch to electrics. It'll be a gradual process over a decade or more. As electrics become more practical and affordable they will slowly take market share of new tractors. People who need to run all day every day off road will be the last to switch. People like many here who use their tractors for a few hours at a time might switch earlier.

One of the big advantages of electric will be no need for idling- the electric motor(s) will be turning only when power is needed.

 

[Citydude]

We all have to step back and analysis the information we are being fed by the media. Everything we read is spoon fed by one side or the other. Hard to get the facts.....

Coming from 34 years in the coal mining business, I tend to find fact based information from other sources than the “news” media.

 

[ovrszd]

Coming from 34 years in the coal mining business, I tend to find fact based information from other sources than the “news” media.

Yep..

 

[airbiscuit]

At some point, there will be electric CUTs, I just don't know what the market share will be compared to diesel, and what that growth curve will look like.
I do find it interesting that cordless string trimmers, chainsaws, snowblowers, mowers etc. seem to be growing in sales.