Honesty

[blackdog2086]

That's funny considering that those that write history (old and new) also have or had an agenda...

Before the days of video cameras everywhere...almost all history was derived from human eye witnesses...FYI...eye witnesses are notoriously bad sources of information....have five different people witness an event and you will get five different versions of the event...

Ancient history can't be verified because everyone who witnessed the events are gone and there were no photo's or videos to back up whatever narrative is being told. I've seen events in my own lifetime which are now said to be untrue even though they can be verified. How many times have you seen politicians claim that they never said this or that when any 12 year old with a smartphone can pull up videos of them doing exactly what they deny.

I've had the misfortune to have been involved in a number of incidents which received substantial media attention. When I watched or read about the events they seldom matched what actually occurred. When the media outlets were called on on their inaccuracies, they just ignored the facts and refused to retract their original stories. I base nothing on "news" stories that don't provide proof of whatever it is they're reporting.

 

[PILOON]

Well, I for one believe that honesty is the best policy.
And if you can't or won't, then button it.

 

[CobyRupert]

Being honest and being an a-hole aren’t mutually exclusive. Telling people they’re fat, or that their kid is retarded, or what their wife use to do in high school, can all be acts of honesty.
It also makes that person an a-hole.
Whether you’re a positive or negative force in the world is the only basis.
I can’t believe I’m taking the “we use to be a Christian nation” and I shouldn’t have to say this stance. Seems like a hatred and divisive darkness has descended on this land. Hopefully we can expose it and rid ourselves of it.

 

[Diggin It]

This thread is about being able to speak our mind and express our honest opinion of the recently departed without being chastised for it.

 

[ultrarunner]

You do what you can for those left behind who chances are know the score but why should they suffer?

 

[Fuddy1952]

This thread is about being able to speak our mind and express our honest opinion of the recently departed without being chastised for it.

Curious why you would say " I know that's what everyone will think when I go." about yourself? Do you believe you're that bad or just believe others think that of you?
I just now glanced at a few of your 8800+ posts/replies and you seem like a nice fellow.

 

[Jstpssng]

This thread is about being able to speak our mind and express our honest opinion of the recently departed without being chastised for it.

Watch what you wish for because it might be just what you get. If you think that poorly of the deceased than you obviously are neither a friend or a loved one; so what makes you think you have the right to bring misery to those who are? That just makes you a mean spirited person yourself.

 

[ultrarunner]

There are people that can make life a living h*ll but I would not be at their funeral anyway.

Still remember a curmudgeon that was a real SOB... he left his fortune to no kill animal shelters... it all went to the dogs...

Not sure if it was in spite or he didn't relate well to people... he did pick up strays.

The shelter was blown away by the bequests which had to be several million when Real Estate sold...

I'm sure shelter thought of him as a Saint...

 

[Industrial Toys]

TRUTH is all that matters. There is no power on earth beyond that of white light and truth.

But "Honesty is always the best policy in the "END"" rings in my ears and I'm not sure who said that.

 

[ultrarunner]

Kind of at a crossroads myself...

Truth, Honesty, Straight Talk all goes out the window when Dementia/Alzheimer is in the mix...

The truth can set off a firestorm of emotions ranging from anxiety to panic to being downright cruel.

Those that specialize in memory care say it does no good to be truthful if the truth inflicts unnecessary harm, suffering or pain.

What do you tell a Alzheimer patient waiting at the window for their Mom and Dad to arrive knowing they have passed away 30+ years ago???

Being truthful and saying they are deceased and are never coming only makes matters worse as opposed to a lie saying not today but soon???

As mentioned this has been the hardest adjustment of all... especially in the era of Covid...

 

[Steppenwolfe]

TRUTH is all that matters. There is no power on earth beyond that of white light and truth.

I believe I know what "the" truth is; yet on Sunday morning preacher tv I find myself not believing a word they say... :confused3:

 

[MossRoad]

Kind of at a crossroads myself...

Truth, Honesty, Straight Talk all goes out the window when Dementia/Alzheimer is in the mix...

The truth can set off a firestorm of emotions ranging from anxiety to panic to being downright cruel.

Those that specialize in memory care say it does no good to be truthful if the truth inflicts unnecessary harm, suffering or pain.

What do you tell a Alzheimer patient waiting at the window for their Mom and Dad to arrive knowing they have passed away 30+ years ago???

Being truthful and saying they are deceased and are never coming only makes matters worse as opposed to a lie saying not today but soon???

As mentioned this has been the hardest adjustment of all... especially in the era of Covid...

You're doing the right thing. :thumbsup:

 

[Industrial Toys]

Funny world we live in. I believe in telling the truth as best I can. Yet circumstances dictate that's not alway in your best interests either because you can get taken advantage of by persons and sysems not invested in that mind set.

 

[SouthernSky]

When I was a kid, a teacher told me that if anyone ever said, “To be honest with you, ...” that they were lying.

It’s stuck in my head enough I still consciously say, “To be perfectly candid, ...”

 

[CobyRupert]

Some historical context:

The aphorism is first recorded in Greek, as τὸν τεθνηκóτα μὴ κακολογεῖν (tòn tethnekóta mè kakologeîn , "Do not speak ill of the dead"), attributed to Chilon of Sparta (ca. 600 BC) by Diogenes Laërtius.

In Latin, the full sentence “De mortuis nil nisi bonum dicendum est” translates to "Of the dead nothing but good is to be said".

Speaking ill of the dead reminds me of MMA cage fights when a guy gets knocked out and his opponent jumps on him and continues to rain haymakers on the defenseless limp body (until the referee hopefully stops him): It’s just ain’t sporting.

 

[Frankenkubota]

History, as it has traditionally been written, has it's own agenda... to perpetrate the cause of the writer.

The government invents history. I just got a book titled........Lies My Teachers Told Me. Not only lies of omissions but blatant lies, period. The government is evil.

Every 20 years or so another generation of impressionable, optimistic, enthusiastic, ignorant young people come along and swallow the same BS, as long as it comes with benefits. By the time you get old you realize it was nothing but lies but no one cares what an old man thinks. The government is too ashamed by what they did to tell the truth, and then all that pesky litigation if you admit anything!

 

[Hay Dude]

Some historical context:

The aphorism is first recorded in Greek, as τὸν τεθνηκóτα μὴ κακολογεῖν (tòn tethnekóta mè kakologeîn , "Do not speak ill of the dead"), attributed to Chilon of Sparta (ca. 600 BC) by Diogenes Laërtius.

In Latin, the full sentence “De mortuis nil nisi bonum dicendum est” translates to "Of the dead nothing but good is to be said".

Speaking ill of the dead reminds me of MMA cage fights when a guy gets knocked out and his opponent jumps on him and continues to rain haymakers on the defenseless limp body (until the referee hopefully stops him): It’s just ain’t sporting.

Agree. It’s just legal violence. I was a collegiate boxer and looking back on it, it was gross. Seeing up close the look in a guys eyes as you finish him off still haunts me today. And waking up the next day with a concussion after drinking off a loss is not going to reward me later in my older years.
I think regular college and Olympic wrestling is fine. Once its over its ended quickly.
That MMA stuff is just too violent. Boxing aint far behind. A lot depends on the ref.

 

[Hay Dude]

The government invents history. I just got a book titled........Lies My Teachers Told Me. Not only lies of omissions but blatant lies, period. The government is evil.

Every 20 years or so another generation of impressionable, optimistic, enthusiastic, ignorant young people come along and swallow the same BS, as long as it comes with benefits. By the time you get old you realize it was nothing but lies but no one cares what an old man thinks. The government is too ashamed by what they did to tell the truth, and then all that pesky litigation if you admit anything!

Some governments did much worse things than other governments, too.

 

[2LaneCruzer]

Some historical context:

The aphorism is first recorded in Greek, as τὸν τεθνηκóτα μὴ κακολογεῖν (tòn tethnekóta mè kakologeîn , "Do not speak ill of the dead"), attributed to Chilon of Sparta (ca. 600 BC) by Diogenes Laërtius.

In Latin, the full sentence “De mortuis nil nisi bonum dicendum est” translates to "Of the dead nothing but good is to be said".

Speaking ill of the dead reminds me of MMA cage fights when a guy gets knocked out and his opponent jumps on him and continues to rain haymakers on the defenseless limp body (until the referee hopefully stops him): It’s just ain’t sporting.

And then there's the slant that Shakespeare puts on it:

Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears;
I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him.
The evil that men do lives after them;
The good is oft interred with their bones;

I will say this; I consider myself an honest person, but sometimes it's best to just keep your mouth shut. I dislike confrontation, and there must be something in it to make my life better or else I avoid it. Nobody ever wins a piss fight with a skunk.
So let it be with Caesar.

 

[MoKelly]

And then there's the slant that Shakespeare puts on it:

Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears;
I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him.
The evil that men do lives after them;
The good is oft interred with their bones;

I will say this; I consider myself an honest person, but sometimes it's best to just keep your mouth shut. I dislike confrontation, and there must be something in it to make my life better or else I avoid it. Nobody ever wins a piss fight with a skunk.
So let it be with Caesar.

“But Brutus says he was ambitious

And Brutus is an honorable man”

That whole speech was a misdirection (not exactly honest) designed to get the crowd to revolt against Ceasar’s killers.

It worked.

MoKelly