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   / High fuel cost and wood #31  
My brother and I are the third generation of the family to own and operate this farm. We grew up here, and have no intention of leaving.
However, for the past five years or so, we keep getting these postcards from real estate brokers telling us that they'd be happy to sell our farm for us if we were of a mind. So far, they've all gone into the trash.
I wouldn't sell either...as long as you find a way to keep the lights on, property tax paid and your head above ground...Just watching the news and the president says things are going to get rougher and food is going up....I highly suspect there will be lots of new gardens popping up in peoples yards etc. and that farmers markets will be booming this year, and the one thing that needs to be monitored is canning lids...just a year ago some places were getting almost a dollar for a lid...ooof!
 
   / High fuel cost and wood #32  
As a farmer, I would caution the making of small bales to make money. It is my opinion, but with a huge recession looming and their “great reset“ on the horizon, the days of people owning hobby horses are shrinking. Animal Husbandry, especially equine in general as a way of life, is way down at least in MY area. And my area is/was PRIME equine country. I notice considerably fewer horse people. Its an expensive hobby and people will be shorter on money for the foreseeable future. The middle class numbers are shrinking fast. More people in lower class earnings means less horses.
I dont know how much land you hay, and its none of my business, but bigger bales may be a better pursuit as theres still a need for beef, until the fake beef takes over…you know….the “impossible burger”??? Lol Im definitely looking at soybeans and wheat as alternatives now.
The times are definitely changing.
Goats are booming in my area, I sold maybe 150 bales last year to two horse customers and the remaining was all goat folks. Might even grow more as folks try to find ways to keep the products they like available. Heck, milking my own cow for the first time ever is actually cheaper than getting it in the store right now.
 
   / High fuel cost and wood #33  
Im on small 20 acre farm plat, I only sold my small bales to horse people because I didnt have my own animals. We used to have horses too but I got mad because I wanted to eat the horses and my better half wouldn't go for it, so we got rid of em for now. I've always held the mentality that if you can't or won't eat the animal in rough times, then its a useless animal and its dragging on a persons resources. Many out there regard horses as taboo when you mention eating it, but the U.S. used to eat horse meat and every time I see a horse I look at its hind quarters and just wonder what it tastes like. Canada eats horse meat if im not mistaken. But ill probably still make small bales and thats because I dont have a big farm spread and the small balers are cheaper to find. I currently have just an old NH 68 Baler, old but works. Thanks for the info tho', I learn a lot from posters and their ideas.
Illegal to eat horse in a lot of states, I had quite a bit in Mongolia years ago and I would absolutely eat it again. Very lean but surprisingly tender.
 
   / High fuel cost and wood #34  
Gotta buddy who bought something like 100 solar panels at one whack, they were takeouts and seconds, so they were (comparatively) cheap. No, they aren't super efficient, but since the "fuel" is absolutely free it doesn't matter - need more juice, add another panel.

He's going to use a blended system. Some of the panels are going onto his barn with micro-inverters, some others will be set up with a single inverter and grid tied. He needs more oomph than solar panels will supply for his welder, hence the grid tie. A few of those panels are somehow going to find their way to my barn ;-) to work the lights and an exhaust fan.

It isn't really cost effective for me to use solar panels and inverters and batteries just to run some fluorescent lights and a 1/8 hp fan motor, but I'll do it because I want to learn how and see how it works.

He also may have access to some used EV battery packs (from wrecks) and we are going to sit down together and figure out how to cobble this all together into a working system to power his house and barn without depending too much on the power company.

None of this was even remotely possible or affordable ten years ago, but it is starting to become practical. Fortunately, we're out in the country and have open space available for his DIY "solar farm" because NONE of this would be acceptable in urban areas. His system also doesn't have to pass the "wife test", but when my bride of 25 years sees the minimal electric bills, she'll become much more receptive to the whole idea.

Best Regards,

Mike/Florida
 
   / High fuel cost and wood #35  
As a farmer, I would caution the making of small bales to make money. It is my opinion, but with a huge recession looming and their “great reset“ on the horizon, the days of people owning hobby horses are shrinking. Animal Husbandry, especially equine in general as a way of life, is way down at least in MY area. And my area is/was PRIME equine country. I notice considerably fewer horse people. Its an expensive hobby and people will be shorter on money for the foreseeable future. The middle class numbers are shrinking fast. More people in lower class earnings means less horses.
I dont know how much land you hay, and its none of my business, but bigger bales may be a better pursuit as theres still a need for beef, until the fake beef takes over…you know….the “impossible burger”??? Lol Im definitely looking at soybeans and wheat as alternatives now.
The times are definitely changing.
I thought the same thing would happen when the Great Recession hit in 2008, and indeed the market made a big change. As I said, that was the year we switched from wholesaling our hay to retail, and we'll never look back. The hay market did take a dip at first, but we were able to hang on because we were, and are, debt-free. I will admit that hay was cheap back then, and we were building a new customer base, so we weren't much more than breaking even. But then came 2012, an extremely dry year. Hay was short, very short, and by then demand was recovering. We doubled our price, and at that we were lower than most, and could have sold three barnsful that year at that price. The next year we dropped our price back a little, but it has still stayed high enough that we can make money.
Meanwhile, folks have taken to calling the area "Equine Alley," because of all the facilities around. They even tried to get the state to make it official in tourism publications a few years back, but nothing ever happened on that level. And the demand for small squares at the retail level remains strong. There isn't much beef around here - quite a few dairy farms, but they make their own hay. In fact, those dairy farmers also make horse hay, and compete with us in that market, so selling to them probably isn't an option.
We put up an average of 2500 small square bales of 1st a year, and it's a rare year when we don't sell out. We live on a Federal highway, and all we had to do was put up a sign by the side of the road, near the barn, across the street from the vegetable stand. People call, then come with pickups and/or trailers, load up their hay (we help), pay for it, then come back when they need more. Most of the hay feeds horses, but we've had people buy it for cows, sheep, goats, even donkeys and alpacas once. And there was one time when a vegetable customer bought a single bale to feed her rabbits that winter.
Besides, if we were to switch to big bales, what would we do with that John Deere 336 baler we bought with our Trumpcash in 2020?
 
   / High fuel cost and wood #36  
I wouldn't sell either...as long as you find a way to keep the lights on, property tax paid and your head above ground...Just watching the news and the president says things are going to get rougher and food is going up....I highly suspect there will be lots of new gardens popping up in peoples yards etc. and that farmers markets will be booming this year, and the one thing that needs to be monitored is canning lids...just a year ago some places were getting almost a dollar for a lid...ooof!
Not at all afraid of folks starting their own gardens - I'll even give them free advice on growing stuff. That way, once they find out how much work it is, and how easily something can come along and wipe out all that hard work, they no longer complain about every little defect, or the prices we charge for our produce.
 
   / High fuel cost and wood #37  
Illegal to eat horse in a lot of states, I had quite a bit in Mongolia years ago and I would absolutely eat it again. Very lean but surprisingly tender.
Really, I've never thought of it being illegal, most horse people will tell you it is illegal when it isn't. BUT I gotta ask, what does horse taste like??? Ive had deer, beef, squirrel, porkepine, and goose. I couldn't stand goose or porkepine, but the others were tasty.
 
   / High fuel cost and wood #38  
Goats are booming in my area, I sold maybe 150 bales last year to two horse customers and the remaining was all goat folks. Might even grow more as folks try to find ways to keep the products they like available. Heck, milking my own cow for the first time ever is actually cheaper than getting it in the store right now.
So you milk your own cow, kinda like bringing back the small family farms of yesteryear....do you pasturize it? or just drink it raw?
 
   / High fuel cost and wood #39  
Really, I've never thought of it being illegal, most horse people will tell you it is illegal when it isn't. BUT I gotta ask, what does horse taste like??? Ive had deer, beef, squirrel, porkepine, and goose. I couldn't stand goose or porkepine, but the others were tasty.
It's been ~18 years but as I recall it was exactly like beef for flavor. But no marbling at all, not sure if that was horse in general or just the Mongolian feed which was pretty rough grass grazing.
 
   / High fuel cost and wood #40  
So you milk your own cow, kinda like bringing back the small family farms of yesteryear....do you pasturize it? or just drink it raw?
All raw unless we make butter or cheese, then it gets heated.
 

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