help with a 3pt-PowerPlatform ??

[tatra805]

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Help me out please on this one. Please stop me before i do wrong.

This is what I have:
- a 12V electrical Superwinch Husky 10.( rated 4.5 ton wormdrive mechanism) mounted in a winchtray.
- 2 Optima Yellow Top deep cycle batteries
- a 90A car generator
- a 2KW 240V generator head
- a compressor head with electro-clutch, pressure regulators, 40 liter pressure barrel, etc
- all wiring and accessories to mount the above together
- a power steering pump (not sure what to do with this one, seems redundant)
- a water pump

What if i mount all this to a 3pt frame, drive the alt / comp / gen / pumps over a v-belt system with PTO and call it a 3pt-PowerPlatform ??

I would then have:
- Winch
- compressor
- 12V power station / welder
- 220 V generator
- Small hydraulic supply separate from the tractor pump.
- water supply

I see the bulk and weight a benefit for the winching as it will supply a more stable platform frame to dig in when winching. (no way i want to pull on the tractor frame, this husky is slow but lifts 4.5 ton, tested and certified for people carrying applications)

How crazy would you consider me?
How stupid would you consider me?

 

[Reg]

Yeah, what if ?

If you don't have needs for whatever it is you think this "assemblage" could/would/might do......
You will just create a large piece of junk from several smaller bits of junk.
If that helps you decide whether or not you value the space it takes up more than it's perceived utility then your time may be not wasted.

 

[Taylortractornut]

THe winch and the generator and the air I would keep. Be cause they wont hurt them to be run all the time when another unit is running. I had a rig similar to this onetime without a winch though that I used on a construction job. The water pump had to be disconnected each time I wanted to use the somethhing I had a shaft that ran off the else to keep from burning it up.
I had a frame with a pto hookup and a had a shft on it that had 4 large pulleys that ran off the PTO. I mounted ageneraort head and a water pump and a 24 V alterenator The re wate pump had to have the belt put on a removed each time I used it. I later made a seperate frame for it that was direct drive. I had 120 volts and 12/24 dc The 12 /24 was used on cold morings to help jump start some of the equipment onsite.

 

[tatra805]

Thanks for the reactions, completely agree with the water pump remark.

I started today with the winch platform. Still needs to be beefed up but the base layout looks good. Tray is fully welded to the platform, which needs some triangles for strength.

The 3pt takes between the batteries and the winch, if things work out as i see it now the whole thing will not stick out more than a counterweight barrel and have the same weight, so i might have eliminated the need for a "useless" block of concrete.

Winchtray is 60cm wide and the frame / 3pt attach width is 45cm. main beam 60x60x3mm other profiles 40x40x3mm

PTO should run in straight line to the middle frame, so in the middle with the generator and alternator both mounted off center above the batteries (to respect the rotation direction of both and not have a complex PTO to pulley set up) The compressor can run above the winch where i will also put the pressure barrel.

Toplink attaches to top of middle frame in line with the PTO shaft.

(batteries will stand on a plate attached to the bottom of the frame. For the picture i had to put them on 2 pieces of profile above the frame or the winch pivots the whole construction.

 

[groundcover]

Looks good so far, what kind of Mastiff you got there?

 

[tatra805]

That is Boston, He's now 1 year old. An Old English Mastif. 87cm high and up and around 100kg and growing (GF is 1m70, so she is not small)

the second one is Tesero a Spinone Italiano.

And we also have a smooth haired Fox Terrier, Timi, but as always he was somehere else when the picture was taken.

So a guarding, a hunting and a run-away dog.

 

[groundcover]

What a beauty. We had an English Mastiff,a real sweet heart. Lived seven years,not near long enough but the big guys don't last like the little ones I guess.

 

[tatra805]

Small progress,

Bottom plate welded, after more than 2 years i fired up my MIG and for this plate work they really are THE tool, almost forgot.

Now, the frame is also more or less in final shape and should give a tight fit for the gen and pulley work involved, hope it works out.

The 3pt pins welded on a reinforcement plate of 10mm. Also the top hitch swivel point was mounted and the battery tray got battery tie-down.

I am now trying to dismantle the generator from the crashed engine it is attached to but that will be a matter of patience or brute force with a portion of luck. Looks as the main generator shaft is fused to the cranckshaft of the engine with no way to reach it without damaging the rotor. All what was assembled should be able to be disassembled so we keep trying.

 

[pat32rf]

Don't forget to add a 2" receiver to the bottom of the assembly for moving trailers or using as an anchor point for other stuff....Lookin Good

 

[farmboy12]

Don't forget to add a 2" receiver to the bottom of the assembly for moving trailers or using as an anchor point for other stuff....Lookin Good

It may also be good to point out that with a receiver hitch you can put on a tray that can go in a receiver hitch. Ya know, just for that extra carrying about. Maybe to add more counterweight???


Kyle

 

[tatra805]

just going straight from the head,

your ideas are great, only..

i am a little speculating about something else

My Iseki is not a big tractor, i noticed hauling "some wood" that the influence of a trailer and loaded FEL on the road stability is quite big. (nothing to worry about but you notice)

the powerplatform will be min 250kg heavy

Now, a powerplatform with a hitch for my trailer i am building is going to lift the front. I am balancing the trailer in such a way that i do have sufficient hitch pressure and when dumping not too much uplift.
I do not see it a good combination with loaded trailer.

But... what if i make a 3pt system on the back of my trailer which can take and lift the 3pt device (even manual lifting can work, or by dumping the trailer with closed doors and then lowering it again... )

That way i would be able to eg drive to the woods with tractor-winch-trailer and there unhitch the trailer, pull the logs with the winch, load the trailer with the FEL and then unhitch the winch, hitch the trailer, attach the winch to the trailer and drive home in tractor-trailer-winch combination.

It would make the winch useless but once the trailer is attached not a lot of winching can be done anyway. ( and for recovery, remember the winch is battery operated)

what do you think?

 

[pat32rf]

Not familiar with your Iseki, but my JD weighs about 3500lbs (?kgm). With my 8000lb winch it gets dragged around on a hard pull. I only haul about 2-4000lb of wood/load out of my bush on a tandem trailer (walking beam axles) each trip due to a steep hill I must climb.
I use the winch to haul to the trail, then hook a chain to hooks on my winch brackets to skid to a central spot as the winch does not do good with the shock loads that are involved with skidding. I find that I can feel the trailer load but its not too severe to handle at bush road speeds.....
I find that one Yellow Optima has worked for the winch so far (I have a hot lead from the tractor to keep it charged)as I spent more time skidding/travelling than winching.

 

[Iplayfarmer]

I would suggest putting a clutch on at least the air compressor. The last thing you need is to be doing something that demands most of your tractor's power, and then have the air compressor kick in and kill it.

A generator is a proportional load... i.e. it pulls harder the more you demand of it. The air compressor is an all or nothing deal. If your tank drops in pressure, the compressor kicks in and the compressor runs full speed until the tank is back up to pressure.

I would suggest using an electric lawn mower PTO clutch.