HELP ME !!! EPA issue in FLORIDA !

AndyTractor · Sep 22, 2004

1. YES! These Jinma tractors are in the importers hands and not being held.

2. I can NOT visit John's Tractor , there must be a filter at my side.
But two years ago I could visit your webpage of John's Tractor (without www in the front.)

AndyTractor · Sep 22, 2004

1. Of course, the engine manufacturing date of these 12 Jinma is in 1999. (Tractor manufacturing date is in 2004) !

2. Scott is NOT a big Chinese tractor dealer !!! You can not compare him with FarmPro.

3. The total amount of his Chinese tractors 100% NOT exceed the record or requirements !!! /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

AndyTractor · Sep 22, 2004

I still hope some experienced ones can help me to call SCOTT (Florida Cell: 904-769-5791 / Tel: 904-964-4238 ) & explain something about the EPA to settle the trouble for him.

I really felt a little exhausted at present !

Thanks in advance !!

JohnS · Sep 22, 2004

Andy,
I think your best bet is for you to contact him and have him read this thread. There is enough info for him to pick-up the ball and start running with it. If he still has more questions, he can post here, and someone will try to steer him in the right direction.

AndyTractor · Sep 22, 2004

John, Thanks !
I have forwarded all the useful information here to Scott.

Yes !
I should bring Scott himself to here to roll the ball with your everyone's help.

Durbob · Sep 22, 2004

Check out this dealer in florida. He also has BLUE jinmas. Maybe he can help you out.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3838878377&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT

bluechip · Sep 22, 2004

Andy,
I am impressed with your dedication to stay up all night your time to help your customer here in USA. I would not expect that from all of the exporters who try to capture part of US market.

Please send me a private message with your email.

OrangeGuy · Sep 22, 2004

Is anyone besides me concerned that an awful lot of effort is being expended to bring "polluting tractors" into the US? As keepers of our environment, shouldn't we be finding ways to keep these non-conforming tractors out of our country? What other dark secrets do these tractors hold?

TBN is a legitimate forum for legitimate tractor enthusiasts. I for one am not comfortable with the forum being used to try and circumvent US customs to bring suspect tractors into our country.

OrangeGuy

Harrygoodwrench · Sep 22, 2004

Orange guy, it may "appear" to be an EPA issue but in reality its a $$$$ market share issue. The biggies like GM and Ford whom I worked for(can't speak for chyrsler/Daimler etc) played the legal fight game after the Toyota and Honda groups as a last ditch effort. Instead of really trying to compete they just went the "political" route. GM lost such a percentage that they will never recover. The writing was on the wall but they did not want to read it. Hasn't changed never will. NH is no different in my humble opine, they can try to slow it in the courts but the inevitable end can be seen, just a bunch of legal BS, but the laywers make out. Look what happened when Kubota came out,,,,,,,,you know, superior product with lower price tag. They are now about the "prize" of the market. I'm not saying the china stuff is anyway near the Kubota quality just the $ tag is lower and that means lost possible sales which equals market share.
Instead of having a humongous legal department to handle issues/lawsuits like "color" infringements maybe the BIG and I mean all Big corps should think about quality as well as the price tag and not the net profit per quarter.
Just my opine.

JohnS · Sep 22, 2004

I think you misunderstand the posts. TPEM is legitimate. Nothing illegal about it. Also doesn't mean that the tractors are a polution factory, just haven't been tested. Compact tractors are not the air polution problem in our country. Yes, every little bit helps, but given the quantity and average usage, it's way down there.

EPA will make every engine on this planet, so complicated (computer, electronics, & emmisions devices), it will require everyone to rely on the dealer for service. They already killed my beloved simple 2 stroke outboards. Now we have costly 4 strokes and very complicated injection systems. I can't wait until my poor lawnmowers/yard equipment will require computers! Those Briggs & Stratten, Kohler, and Honda engines don't know what they are missing!

AndyTractor · Sep 22, 2004

Hi, BlueChip,

I felt sleepy & went to bed at 2:00AM lat night.
And I get up at 7:00AM to check my e-mail & go to this Forum this morning.
I could not stay all night without a sleep. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I checked your private information.

 Very Happy to find that you were my friend in 2003!!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

There were some e-mail communications between us discussing about the DongFeng & Benye & Futian Tractor before (in 2003) !!!

I found that in one of your e-mails to me on May 1st, 2003, you have told me that: " Special label for engine is on page 23 of this document. Manufacturer would be ARTRAC unless BENYE has agent in USA handling a TPEM program with EPA ."

Are you still using the e-mail @cox-internet.com ?

I have sent you an e-mail just now.

Soundguy · Sep 22, 2004

( Also doesn't mean that the tractors are a polution factory )

I agree. I see cars going down the road that smoke worse and run worse than some of my 50+ year old antique gas tractors...

Soundguy

AndyTractor · Sep 22, 2004

Dear Harry,

You are right! When you American are lossing your own tractor markets, we Chinese are also lossing our Automobile markets to other foreign companies & brands.

If you can drive in our Chinese streets, you may find that at least 50% cars are made by foreign companies or Joint Ventures.
Such as HONDA, TOYOTA, MITSUBISHI, ISUZU, SUZUKI, VOLKSWAGEN, CITROEN, FORD, CHEROKEE, GM, BENTZ, BMW, DAEWOO, IVECO....

We also hate so many Japanese Cars on our roads ! /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Almost all our Boeing Jet-Planes & MS-Software & IBM Computers & KFC, McDonald's are from your USA. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

But it's a global market !
No one country can eacape from the global competition.
No one country can close its door and not allow other countries' products enter into its territory. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

In fact, Jinma is not a famous tractor brand in China.

Almost all Chinese Farmers know the Chinese tractor brands such as Taishan, DongFangHong, DongFeng, Benye,....
But few Chinese Farmers know about Jinma & want to buy a Jinma.

Among all the Chinese Tractor Brands, Jinma now is the No.1 selling in USA. But Jinma tractors only occupy a very small quota (quotient ) in USA market.

bruce1966us · Sep 22, 2004

Andy,

Can you explain why the jimna tractors are not bought by the Chinese? Why are the other models prefered?

Thanks,
Bruce

bluechip · Sep 22, 2004

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Tyler · Sep 23, 2004

Based on this forum and info on John's website, I'm considering getting a crated Jinma from an outfit like Tractor Outlet, etc. But I'm now I'm concerned about the import issues described in this thread, specifically if one pre-pays for a tractor. Am I missing a crucial point, or will Andy's hassles apply to many dealers of crated Jinmas in the US? Thx, Tyler

greg_g · Sep 23, 2004

( Am I missing a crucial point, or will Andy's hassles apply to many dealers of crated Jinmas in the US? )
Don't think you missed anything at all Tyler. I can almost see sweat rolling off this topic.

I'd be inclined to broaden your statement, to apply to "exempted" tractors in general. The writing on the wall suggests the exemption is beginning to evaporate.

After getting rid of two Jinmas with 1999 motors, I'm sitting here fat dumb and happy with a 2003-12 motor in my 2004-03 KAMA.

//greg//

JohnS · Sep 23, 2004

Tyler,

Terry @ Tractor Outlet has been doing this for a number of years. TPEM is not new to him. I don't know, but I bet he is not ussing the 1999 engine exemption. Before writing them off based on this thread, call and talk with him. Ask allot of "what if" questions.

JohnS · Sep 23, 2004

Getting side tracked, but here are my observations on meeting EPA regs for tractors. One of the first steps, seems to be lowering the engine compression, which will lower the overall hp. Then, to get the same hp we need a larger displacement engine (ie tractors are marketed by hp specs, not displacement, like cars). This larger displacement engine, can be made to pass. I believe the requirement is based on %, which takes into consideration how much the engine is breathing. The total amount of pollution then could be the same or possibly higher than the original smaller higher compression engine. Anyhow, that is my view on it.

MarkNHow · Sep 23, 2004

Is anybody besided me concerned that someone who does not own or want to own a Chinese tractor comes on this site to make disparaging remarks and calls us illegitimate. Looks like Orangeguy owns some tractors that I'm sure would pollute much more than the Chinese.

Mark H