Help! I need legal advice re: easements

   / Help! I need legal advice re: easements #421  
When I bought my little 10 acre place, I did borrow a little money from a local bank, and I expected to need a survey done, but the banker said they didn't care one way or the other. In fact, he said, "The last time we had a farm surveyed, we had it done 3 times by 3 different surveyors and they all came up with a different answer." /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif I did have the title search, title insurance, documents reviewed by an attorney, etc. And there were steel stakes in the ground at the 4 corners, the neighbors agreed they were in the right place, and it was all fenced. According to all the records, it was exactly 10 acres. However, when I sold it, the buyer wanted a professional appraisal and a new survey, which of course I agreed to since he was willing to pay for them. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif And the new survey showed one corner to be nearly 3" off and he was getting a total of 10.01 acres. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif But no one's moved any fences. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
   / Help! I need legal advice re: easements #422  
This entire situation reminds me of what I already knew, get lawyers involved (be it divorce, property, anything) and the lawyers win and everyone else loses.

I bought 40 acres a couple years ago. When they did the survey, they found that one 2000' fence bowed in about 30 feet at the center of the run. This cost me about 1/4 acre of land. My closing lawyer wrote up a simple letter for the neighbors to sign, that merely asked them to acknowledge that the fence was misplaced - I wasn't asking them to move the fence I just didn't want to lose the land to "adverse posession".

The neighbors insisted that the same survery company had earlier staked the fence line for them and that the fence could not be wrong. I'm pretty sure the fence IS off, but after trying to get them to sign the paper for a couple months, I decided to let it go. There is nothing I can do short of ordering yet another survey and getting a lawyer seriously involved, and for 1/4 acre I'm not willing to incur the costs and the risks involved. Just my 2 cents....
 
   / Help! I need legal advice re: easements #423  
"The neighbors insisted that the same survery company had earlier staked the fence line for them and that the fence could not be wrong."

That sounds like B.S. to me. This might upset a native Texan or three but something I've learned since I've moved down here is that the property owner building the fence almost always screws the other guy out of a little land if they are not being watched when they build it. I guess they figure the other guy isn't going to pitch in on the expense so they are going to get theirs, or maybe it's just because they can. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
   / Help! I need legal advice re: easements #424  
A thirty foot bow in a two thousand foot line would be as obvious as a wart on Pamela Anderson's breast.

And it would make me just as upset.
 
   / Help! I need legal advice re: easements #425  
I agree. Call me a pain, but when I buy something, then I want all of it. We had this exact situation last year....the neighboring farm had planted soybeans almost 12' into our property for the entire 1500' length. We asked him to acknowledge the fact, but he said that his family had been plowing that strip of land for decades (he was probaly right, the old fence line and elevation differences were obvious). Under the advice of our lawer, who said "It's your property, do what you want with it", we actually removed his crop. This assertion of our rights of ownership prevented him from making an adverse possession claim on the property. That and the fact that we copied him on a letter to the title company stating that we may have a claim against the title insurance if he pursued a claim of ownership. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Dave
 
   / Help! I need legal advice re: easements #426  
We had the same situation with a turf farm here. After showing them the bounderies we told them that we wanted our land back after they got their crop. Then they posted no tresspassing signs on out land!

When I approched them they stated that Oh those signes are not ment for you, they are to stop others from coming on the land. The only problem is that there is not a road or other way into that point for more than a 1/4 of a mile. Go figure. We will take this as far as it needs to go.
 
   / Help! I need legal advice re: easements #427  
Well just to make things a little more official. Thursday morning at 9am I will be meeting the fence crew on my new property. They expect the short run of fence to be a one day job. I expect it to set the line of the property in stone (or in this case bronze colored aluminum designed to look like wrought iron). My fence will actually be a few feet inside of my property line, but it was made very clear to the neighbor that that is exactly what inteneded so I can maintain BOTH sides of it with tractor access.

And the minor dispute I have will be settled.
 
   / Help! I need legal advice re: easements #428  
MDBarb,

Sorry to hear of your situation.
You made mention of the testimony offered by the plaintiff's witnesses and that what they had testified was not possible due to the placement of buildings and topography.

If this is correct then get a transcript of the testimony and a map or overhead photo of the property. Or any photos that make your case. Have your attorney use this in the appeals process to show that the judgement was predicated on false testimony.
Your attorney may even be able to get the witnesses to recant their testimony if he can show them what the testified is perjury.

Just a thought.

This is my one post to this forum. Good luck.
 
   / Help! I need legal advice re: easements
  • Thread Starter
#429  
I agree.
This was one of the most obvious and provable lies.
I wish my lawyer had made a bigger deal of it then.
But hindsight is perfect and I have figured out a dynamite case if only I could turn back the hands of time....

It will most definetly be an issue in the appeal /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
   / Help! I need legal advice re: easements #430  
Any new developments mdbarb? Hopefully the appeals process is treating you better than the first go round?
 
   / Help! I need legal advice re: easements #431  
I just found and read this entire thread. My goodness, what an ordeal! And you are a much better person than I for having stayed on the high road, I would most definitely be serving serious prison time for not exercising the self control you have. I will pray for you and your family to get through this with a just outcome. And hopefully the whacko neighbor will just vibrate himself into an explosion. For all your pain, I hope you get some small comfort in knowing that you have probably helped many here to avoid similar problems. I know I got a serious education. I too, have problem neighbors, but not involving land. I will try to be inspired by your action of following the rules, not giving in to my primate instincts, and document stuff MUCH more to possibly protect my assets if needed in the future. My best wishes go to you and your family and I thank you for the education.

If worse come to worse, you can always pay him off at a dollar a week. Empty any accounts you have and claim that your lawyers got all your money and a dollar is all you can afford each week.
 
   / Help! I need legal advice re: easements #432  
just let him do it because you'll lose if you go to cort.
 
   / Help! I need legal advice re: easements #433  
I wish you the very best of luck in your appeal and our prays are with you.
 
   / Help! I need legal advice re: easements
  • Thread Starter
#434  
Unfortunately, I cannot just pay a dollar a week and I cannot just empty all accounts.
The courts would see that as fraud and bankruptcy courts get to decide how much I pay out every month.
Legal wrangling is going on as we speak. I will update when some irreversible decisions have been made.

I'm glad it has helped you, as the whole reason I started this thread was as a warning or education for fellow readers.
I actually distanced myself from this thread briefly when people started generously offerring to helping financially (Thank you for your good thoughts). That was never my intent.
Everyone just don't assume, get educated on one of your most precious assests and don't rely TOO much on the "goodness" of neighbors or of truth and justice prevailing.
Scuse me while I let just a little pessimism leak out.
 
   / Help! I need legal advice re: easements
  • Thread Starter
#435  
Appeals are about a year away.
Asuit against the insurance company is in the summer.
Bankruptcy or sale of the house could happen in January, but I feel thats pretty well covered.
But now I don't trust ANYTHING that has to go thru the courts....
Legal wrangling continues as we speak, so I have to be somewhat careful in case the Plaintiff ever discovered this board
 
   / Help! I need legal advice re: easements #436  
Well, again good luck with everyone and please keep us posted. I certainly hope that it never comes to losing the house. I am not very familiar with the court systme but, if you have filed an appeal, aren't you free from any payments till than (meening you can keep your property)?
 
   / Help! I need legal advice re: easements
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#437  
No the appeal doesn't stop it.
Bankruptcy would stay it.
A bond would stay it, but a bond cost $24,000 in premiums and I would have to post a bond of 1 and 1/2 times the judgement /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
Interest is running at $115 per day /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
 
   / Help! I need legal advice re: easements #438  
First, let me say that I am truly sorry to hear what has happened to mdbarb. It is a sad that our justice system let this happen. However, I am looking for the lessons in this travesty.

DISCLAIMER: I am not a lawyer. I am a licensed Texas Real Estate Salesperson and as such cannot and do not give legal advice. All information below is just my personal opinion. Consult with an attorney if in doubt about any real estate transaction.

1. Judges and juries do not rule on the law, they rule on emotions. I know that for a fact. I can't tell you how I know that a particular judge ruled on emotion instead of law, but believe me it is true.

2. People, including those who you thought were your friends, and lawyers, will lie on the witness stand. I have had that happen to me. I was stunned to see what goes on in a courtroom. I have no doubt that those folks told all sorts of tales about mdbarb that were pure fiction but there is no way you can prove any different. It comes down to who the jury likes and believes. In this case the jury may have felt that mdbarb was taking advantage of those "poor old folks". You cannot win against a sympathetic opponent.

3. Lawyers will not fight for you like they do on TV. In some cases they are only concerned about their fee and couldn't care less about your welfare. If you ever get the feeling you have such a lawyer fire him or her immediately. Listen to your "gut". The first clue for me should have been when my lawyer showed up in court for a hearing and didn't even have my file with him. He had to use my notes in the file I brought with me. I was the dummy in that deal, I should have fired him on the spot.

4. Don't ever bother to take a lawyer (or any other "professional") before an ethics committee run by their association. Such committees are there to protect their brethren from you, the public. In my case the committee met with the lawyer for over 20 minutes before they let me and his lawyer into the hearing room. Wonder what they talked about? The only satisfaction I got was that he had to pay his lawyer to defend him and I didn't use a lawyer so I was not out any $.

I can tell you that the ethics committees in local real estate boards are usually made up of the shadiest agents in town.

I paid approximately $16K to learn the above lessons.

Beyond that:

A. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, buy land without a survey and a title policy.

B. READ the title policy very carefully. If you don't understand it find someone who does. A few dollars spent on a professional is cheap insurance. Just because a title company issues a title policy does NOT mean everything is OK. You will often find exceptions in title policies.

Example: I bought a house on a corner lot where the West wall of the house was built on the city right-of-way by 0.55 feet. The house had been there for over 50 years. Before I would close I made the seller put enough money in escrow to pay all costs of acquiring that strip of land from the city. It took over a year to acquire title to that strip of land and the cost of the survey and appraisal was about 4 times the price of the strip of land itself. That portion of the house was NOT insured by the title policy, it was listed as an exception.

B. Be absolutely sure you understand what the survey says and then find the corner pins yourself, they should have wooden stakes with some type of flagging on them. The wooden stake will be right next to the corner pin which is normally a piece of rebar driven into the ground. Find the actual pins and draw a small map with distances from some surrounding objects so that 5 years later you will be able to find the iron pins.

Watch for easements on the survey. The survey will nearly always have some easements on it for utilities, these are reasonable and necessary. The electric and water companies will not serve you if you don't give them an easement for their lines. If there are any other easements locate them on the ground and mark them with iron pins if the surveyor did not already do so. If there is any easement other than utility easements and city or state road easements pay the surveyor to mark the easement with iron pins. Think seriously about putting up a fence along the easement lines. You can always leave gaps in the fence for access but you will delineate the bounds of the easement from the start and avoid someone saying "I think it is here".

C. Check carefully for problems such as fences being inside or outside the property lines and make the seller correct those problems. In Texas the buyer has a set number of days after receipt of a copy of the title policy and survey to protest any discrepancies. Always make such notice IN WRITING to your real estate agent and demand that they pass your letter on to the sellers agent, certified mail, return receipt requested, and demand a copy of the return receipt save a copy of the letter.

D. NOTHING, absolutely nothing, counts in a real estate transaction unless it is in writing. Do NOT ever rely on any verbal representation from anyone at all under any circumstances. Do not take a real estate agents word, make them put it in writing. A competent agent will never have a problem with putting what he/she says in writing. If the agent says they are too busy, it is not necessary, or "we never do it that way, we always do it verbally", demand to talk to their Broker immediately and let them know that the agents actions are unacceptable. If the Broker doesn't correct the agent contact a lawyer immediately.

Real estate agents will hate me for this next suggestion, but I don't care. If necessary, write to the seller directly, again certified, return receipt requested. There is no law that forbids you from communicating directly with the seller (or if you are the seller, communicating directly with the buyer).

E. If you find anything parked, stored, or whatever on the property make the seller remove it PRIOR to closing. If that RV referenced in this thread had been moved prior to closing and the road clearly surveyed none of this mess would have happened.

F. If the seller refuses or cannot get these encumbrances cured do NOT buy the property or you will expose yourself to a situation like we have seen here.

G. If anyone ever wants to store anything on your property lease them the space on a written lease even if you only charge them $1 a month. In many instances a lease or other real estate transaction is not considered valid unless some value is exchanged, hence you must charge them something. In Texas a phrase that is used in property sales is "$10 and other good and considerable consideration". The consideration can be anything you want it to be but there must be actual money involved. Do this even if it is your brother-in-law. He may not be your brother-in-law forever, you never know.

E. If you are buying acreage be sure you see the entire property. Look for any signs of dumping. If there is anything suspicious be very wary. If you buy a property that happens to have had hazardous material dumped on it you will be liable for the cleanup. If it is chemical the bill could be astronomical.

F. Be sure you know what ponds and low places are on the land. If there is a low place that holds water for more than 7 days a year it could be considered wetland and protected by federal law. Fill it and you may have the EPA on your back. I know a man who had to move his house, dig the low spot back out, pay about $85K in fines, and who knows how much in legal fees. He would have been a lot better off had he not told the EPA person to get the h**l off his property on her first visit. Her parting words were "I'll be back" and she was, with a vengeance.

G. If there is any equipment or household items that are to remain with the property put it in the contract or have a separate, written addendum to the sales contract that spell out the description exactly. Once saw someone buy a house where the refrigerator was included. Renters were occupying the house. Refrigerator was brand new looking water-in-the-door high dollar model. When seller took possession there was a 25 year old ratty refrigerator in the house. Guess what, the new refrigerator was the renter's property, the old refrigerator was in the garage visible to all. Don't assume the refrigerator you see is the one you will get. Write out brand, model number, and if possible, serial number of any items.

Unfortunately, life is more complicated than ever. The days of handshake deals are long gone. And the only sure winners in a lawsuit are the lawyers. Everybody else is on their own. As a friend once told me "A poor settlement is better than a good lawsuit any day". He was right.

Bill Tolle
 
   / Help! I need legal advice re: easements #439  
Sound advice.
-Thanks for taking the time to post your thoughts.
-Mike Z. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Figure out where your flood plains are, and when they are expected to flood.
 
   / Help! I need legal advice re: easements #440  
Thanks for all the useful information you gave to us. It's just amazing what you have to do today so as not to be taken advantage of. Thanks again for the tips. Gerard
 

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