Health Breakthru

[Durbob]

I guess this is tractor related because if you're not healthy then it's hard to operate a tractor.

I just thought i would share something new about health that i learned this last week. I have serious health issues on both my Mom and my Dads side of the family. And lucky me i inherited it all ,as i have never been what i would call healthy my entire life. Anyway, i have been to herbalists who have always helped me more than Drs , but even then sometimes it is hard to get to the very root of the problem and dig it out so to speak. So, i heard about this new technology that is being used to find just what your problems are. It is actually scientific technology based software It reads your voice octaves i guess you would say. Your voice resonates off all your organs in the body and if one part of the body is weak than this software picks up on it. I believe this is less than a couple of years old technology. This lady i went to that is doing this has been an herbalist for 24 years and she said she was skepticle of this until she went to the seminar on it. This thing is as close to 100% of finding your problem than has ever been. There is no guess work about it. I went in and she had me just talk into the microphone about different topics. I never said one thing to her about what my problems were and she doesn't want you to. After the readout she told me ALL the problems i was having and she was dead on with every one of them. My sister had some problems that Drs couldn't help and she picked up on what was wrong and told her what to take for it. And in just a couple of days it started going away for her. My biggest problem was just no energy at all...i mean none whatsoever, i couldn't even go do hardly anything and i didn't know what the heck was going on. The very first words out of her mouth after looking at the printout the machine gave her was" You have no energy....your adrenelin(sp) glands are almost down to nothing, then she picked up on my arteries aro
und the heart being partially closed. She picked up on my diabetes without telling her . Most of my Dads side of the family died of heart attacks and two died at the ages of 46 and 47. So this had me concerned big time. Anyway i had several other problems and she told me about every one of them. She said i had so many problems that she wanted to concentrate on some of them now, to get the worse ones under control and then we would work on the others. This is something i would recommend everyone to do...At least take the exam, because you may have problems (and this machine will tell of any future problems you are gonna have based on the info it has now). There are people in all parts of the country who are training to do this. They are having seminares on it too as they wouldn't sell you a machine until you take the classes. This lady only charges $25.00 for the test although i have seen in other parts of the country some charge more. This lady is in Connersville ,in. that i went to. E-mail or PM me for further info on her if you want it. I challenge everyone to take the tests for your healths sake. Here is the website of the company that created the program.
http://www.voicebio.com/

Dur

 

[thegreatrandini]

I am skeptical.....You want to buy some snake oil?

 

[edski]

If it'll diagnose my tractor, truck, or dog...I'm in.

 

[Jagmandave]

I've always been sceptical of herbalists and others who diagnose problems in unconventional ways, but I'm also open to the idea that not everything works the way conventional wisdom and learning says it does. I have a friend who had a terrible bout with colon cancer, the doctors gave him less than 50% chance - he's still with us and appears to be cancer free, and claims he owes most of it to "herbal" treatments. I'd like to try it just to see .......I'd spend $25 for a test...........

 

[Durbob]

I have a daughter-in-law whos colon is a mess and the Drs want to take it completely out and then bring her small intestine down and put it in its place, and she is 35 years old. She has been raised with the ideas that Drs know best, and she won't even give the alternative medicine a try. There is no way they would do that to me without me trying every alternative there is first. Yea, for $25.00 you would be amazed at what you would find out.

Dur

 

[bones1]

Interesting.

 

[EddieWalker]

My brother used to work for a company that's researching cures for cancer. They've got a few so far and are working on more. One of the problems they have with testing is that people get better on the placebo's, or sugar pills.

Two things happen. One is the mind will cure the problem sometimes if you really believe the pills work. The other is that allot of people have created there medical conditions for various reasons. I was married to one who always came up with a new problem after the previous one was cured or identified. She would have symptoms within a month.

The problem with herbal, or alternative medicine is you only hear about the fabulous, amazing, incredibe results certain people get from them (usually selling something) and you never hear about those who buy the products, spend there money for treatments, and never get better.

If you believe that your medical conditions can be found and treated based on how your organs resonate off your voice, then nothing anybody says is gonna convince you otherwise. When you health issues come back again, try not to fall for the next quick fix scam that comes along, save your money and take the advice of a medical doctor. A real medical doctor with a degree, years of experience and a license to issue medication.

Good luck,
Eddie

 

[livincountry]

Modern medicine has as much to do with advertising budgets as it does with real science. The real science comes in where they learn to treat symptoms not the cause. It's called "medical practice" for a reason. There are no set fixes. We are very complicated beings. More than one thing might work or not work. I don't dismiss any real medical doctor or herbalist for that matter. I'm in excellent health for many reasons.

Keeping an open mind...you might need the unconventional someday.

 

[texasjohn]

Ditto for me... what Eddie said.

I get convinced not by annecdotes but by double blind large sample size replicated peer reviewed studies using placebo, solution A, solution B, solution C..... not just against placebo...... applied with experience and sensitivity.

I have a daughter-in-law in the medical field, qualified to practice in two countries including USA... I have a technical math/physica/science background and worked in the space program for years. The human body is far more complex and unpredictable than space vehicles. We've had lots of Shuttle launchs and returns that went just fine... but two that went bad.... probabilities catch up with you in the end... but you can't predict which event will be "the one". That's the problem with dealing in single unique examples... it can be the one out of 100 that goes right/wrong.

My best wishes with your medical difficulties... and I hope that you find true improvement, long term, whatever the path.

 

[PitbullMidwest]

... When you health issues come back again, try not to fall for the next quick fix scam that comes along, save your money and take the advice of a medical doctor. A real medical doctor with a degree, years of experience and a license to issue medication.

Good luck,
Eddie

I agree with most of what you say, however you can't discount all herbal, natural or traditional remedies as snake oil. There is a reason pharmaceutical companies spend millions (billions?) on researching the benefits of Amazon plants or South African cactus. Our Western, scientific mindset often blinds us to the natural world around us.

When I had a urinary tract infection a friend recommended that I drink cranberry juice until I could get into the doctor the following week. What the heck, I've got to drink something. Three 8 oz glasses a day over the weekend and all the symptoms disappeared. My "real medical doctor with a degree, years of experience and a license to issue medication" told me to continue drinking it for another week. He told me that cranberry juice had been used for centuries to cure urinary infection.

That being said, I am a skeptic of most holistic healing practices. I would say that "voicebio" is the 21st century version of New Age "crystal" therapy.

 

[meledward23]

I am a traditionalist in many regards. Meaning I don't like change. My father has a PHD (N. Physics, not MD). Traditional hard schooled, no rule breaking family. Pessimist and skeptic degrees since birth. I say this as a perspective.

I don't know about the above technology. I would be skeptical. But..... what if it does work ? and ....

I have experience with a close friend. He was a Marine, and had no health problems. Literally couldn't even recall him having a sniffle much less a cold. Then one day he goes in and finds cancer. (7 years ago). He is diagnosed with prostate cancer, and liver (I forget which organ) cancer (?). Anyway he had two cancers at one time. They start treatment and he caught pneumonia (sp?). In the treatment of one the had to let the other run its course. Something about medicines not interacting well. To say the least when he got done with this ordeal he was weak drained and had Death Certificate in the Doctor's office with his name, waiting to fill in a day and time. Month was already taken care of according to the Doctor.

He decided if Doctors wouldnt do anyhtnig but say you are going to do, he would do something. He searched the US and Europe looking at herbalists. Finally choose one in Canada and flew up there.

7 years latter, he takes many herbs, is healthy and still struggles. Maybe traditional medicine saved him. Maybe not. Maybe herbs helped, maybe not....

Do you want to beat? I won't not with my life. I think if I see the need for more healing power I would go for it.

and besides, dont many of the drugs in this world come from plants... hmmm... what are herbs. Last time I checked plants classified as have a medicinal purpose.

Just my two cents...

(and I have never been to an herbalist, course I dont like the Doctor much either).

 

[EddieWalker]

Interesting thread.

The marine with cancer example is very good at showing us what the will to live can do. I agree that we don't know what is keeping him alive, but the health benifits of herbs and a healthy diet along with a positive attitude can and will have a positive effect.

I'm not questioning the benifits of plants, nor the results they give us.

I understand that medicines are made from just about everything. From metals, to plants and animals. If it works, then it's being used. I also understand that there are tens of thousands of scientist researching everything on the planet to find cures for just about everything.

Two issues come to mind.

One. If a common herb worked, why doesn't a multi billion dollar company that makes it's money of cures for people market this herb? It's kind of like the diet pills that come out every year. They are always from some other country and are new to the US. Guranteed to lose weight and all that. Of course, none of them do anything, but people spend billions on them. When a real diet pill comes along that actually works, then you can bet every dime you have that it will be major news!!! Not some secrete from Europe or something like that.

Two. The method described to find out what was wrong strikes me as silly. It's kind of like a fortune teller or palm reader. They start out the the basics that apply to most everyone and then feed on their replies. One of the medical problems that was mentioned was a lack of energy. Doesn anybody here have enough energy????? If we were to come up with a list of common things we all would like to fix, energy would be right at the top of the list. Aches and pains, sleep, weight ..... The list goes on and on.

I think the reason people believe in alternative medicines isn't that they work, but because it's an option to the reality of what they have or need to do in order to get better. Just off the top of my head, I bet 80 percent of all medical issues are a result of being overweight. The doctor says to lose 50 pounds. Simple cure to simple problems. Of course, nobody who's 50 pounds overweight wants to admit it, nor can they easily lose the weight. The options of alternative medicine and quick cures.

Sorry for being so blunt, I'm not trying to be rude or insulting, but it's one of those topics that bring out the soapbox for me.

Eddie

 

[rox]

Durbob,
I want to urge you to proceed with caution. My 38 yar old sister in law had stomach pains and her doctor was not getting at the problem. Rather than go for a second or third opinion she went to a "healer" actually the family jsut called him the voodoo doctor. She always felt so much better after her visits, but funny things the pains in her stomach eventually came back.
sadly my sister in law died of stomach cancer at 38 years old leaving a 16 year old daughter a 14 year old son and a 5 year old son.

If she would not have gone to the voodoo doctor and would have sought out licensed professional medical care she would have lived.

Are you willing to bet your life on this "new technology?" Not asking the question to be confrontational, just asking you to think it over fully and cinsider the consequences.

If the machines says your adrenal glans are shot, will you then go to a medical doctor and check this out?

 

[GregMVT]

Curt,
The reason the cranberry juice worked is that it made your urine more acidic, and the little critters. It is harder for them to survive in that kind of enviornment. There are a lot of drugs out there that started out being made from plants, asprin/willow bark, morphine/poppies etc.

Used to be a LPN until I discovered I preferred working with numbers more than people.

Greg

 

[Adron]

Eddie:

I happen to agree with most of what you have said however,"If a common herb worked, why doesn't a multi billion dollar company that makes it's money of cures for people market this herb? ", the question can be anwered this way. Profit! If the drug cannot be patented and is readily available in a standard form there is no way the company is going to spend millions getting FDA approval.

Also, the pharmaceutical cos. are constantly pushing the Dr's to prescribe their products. Their marketing practices are absolutely reprehensible. More testing is done on the patient than in the laboratory. "let's see if this works, he only has a $3 co-pay, and besides we've nearly used up his 5 minute office visit limit"

If doctors would be doctors and not just pill pushers and assembly line workers perhaps more people would be give creedance to their suggestions / recommendations.

Sorry, personal soapbox also. Having said all the above, there are some things that just shout "Snake Oil!!"

 

[EddieWalker]

Adron,

I understand what your saying, and even agree with your reasononing about the herbs being unpatentable. But Herbs are used in medicine in a refined state to get the maximine benifit from them. The companies that sell these herbs, make a profit because they've figure out how to maximise the usefull properties of the herbs. Same with everything else they come up with.

As for doctors pushing pills to make the drug companies happy, I have my doubts. I don't know any doctors as friends, so I can't speak for them, but I know three different drug reps who spend their days selling drugs to doctors. It's an open market and the sales reps have a product to sell. Which ones the doctors chose to sell depends on there way of doing business, but the bottom line is still getting people healthy. Several drugs from different companies will do the job, so the doctor has a choice. Profit is part of that I'm sure, but if his patients aren't getting better, then he's not going to be around very long either.

I may be niave, but I don't think there are very many doctors out there just in it for the money. They make a decent living, no doubt, but the ones trying to make people healthy could be making allot more money doing other things.

I believe medical doctors are the only reliable source for medical treatment. I also feel that as a group, they do a great job and truly care for patients.

I feel the same way about the police, fire fighters and military.

Eddie

 

[rox]

Eddie,

I agree with you. Doctors will not make a profit prescribing one drug over another to you unless they are then selling the drugs. My daughters partner is a physician, she is a wonderful caring doctor, the profit motive is not what drives her.