Hay fire Today

[majorwager]

Route 531 re-opened after firefighters battle fire in Ogden hay field

Newspaper are cheapskates, must pay to see photos.

Field w/ large square bales burned, 12 acres or so. Large 4WD tractor burned, (4 equal tires), not sure about baler.

Smoke closed intrastate highway. Many Fire Companies responded.

If interested, other news sources in Ogden NY area can be searched, which will likely ID the tractor, provide photos, more info. 93 degrees here today, high humidity. No Loss of LIFE!!!!!

This is a large farm operation, presume adequate insurance coverage.

Route 531 closed after large hay fire in Ogden

 

[Thomas]

Dang...talk about a having a bad day glad nobody was hurt.

 

[oosik]

Brings back memories of the Strawberry Hill wildfire of 2015 here in my area. ATV'd to the top of a tall bun and could watch close and way off in the distance as stacked bales of hay burned. A frightening nighttime sight.


Very glad to hear - - no lives were lost. Insurance can replace everything else.

 

[LouNY]

It's getting too common, combines have always been troublesome in that regard (from hot bearings and chaff), now these new tractors with dpf's doing active regens in the fields with hay chaff and pollen on everything then heat an exhaust filter to 1300 degrees with combustible material laying on it.
It's a recipe for fire.

 

[Btown]

It's getting too common, combines have always been troublesome in that regard (from hot bearings and chaff), now these new tractors with dpf's doing active regens in the fields with hay chaff and pollen on everything then heat an exhaust filter to 1300 degrees with combustible material laying on it.
It's a recipe for fire.

The article does not state what caused the fire, so hinting at a DPF causing this is misleading.
DPF’s are located in the engine compartment and are insulated and shielded and are no hotter than a regular exhaust pipe. So fires due to DPF’s will be few and far between. Haven’t heard of one yet and they have been out for several years now. The only fire related issue I have heard of were on 2008 Ford Superduties. For a short time They were dumping too much fuel during the regen cycles and flames would come out the exhaust. A quick flash and issue was resolved.

 

[RickB]

DPF痴 are located in the engine compartment and are insulated and shielded and are no hotter than a regular exhaust pipe. So fires due to DPF痴 will be few and far between. Haven稚 heard of one yet and they have been out for several years now. The only fire related issue I have heard of were on 2008 Ford Superduties. For a short time They were dumping too much fuel during the regen cycles and flames would come out the exhaust. A quick flash and issue was resolved.

The breadth of what you know and believe to be true falls short of encompassing the scope of US agriculture. There are several posts per month on the mainstream Ag forum New Ag Talk documenting relatively low hour Tier IV tractors and combines burning to the ground. Combining sunflowers and some small grains seems to be particularly hazardous.

 

[Btown]

The scope of what you know and believe to be true falls short of encompassing the scope of US agriculture. There are several posts per month on the mainstream Ag forum New Ag Talk documenting relatively low hour Tier IV tractors and combines burning to the ground.

So prior to DPF’s there was never 1 combine or tractor fire? Stuff happens things go wrong. Maybe too much electronics on these new combines and tractors. A short can start a fire in no time. Can’t tell you how many gasoline powered cars catch fire as they drive down the roadway.

 

[RickB]

So prior to DPF’s there was never 1 combine or tractor fire? Stuff happens things go wrong. Maybe too much electronics on these new combines and tractors. A short can start a fire in no time. Can’t tell you how many gasoline powered cars catch fire as they drive down the roadway.

Did I say there was never a fire before DPF’s? No, I did not. You win. Good night.

 

[LouNY]

The article does not state what caused the fire, so hinting at a DPF causing this is misleading.
DPF’s are located in the engine compartment and are insulated and shielded and are no hotter than a regular exhaust pipe. So fires due to DPF’s will be few and far between. Haven’t heard of one yet and they have been out for several years now. The only fire related issue I have heard of were on 2008 Ford Superduties. For a short time They were dumping too much fuel during the regen cycles and flames would come out the exhaust. A quick flash and issue was resolved.

Insulated and shielded!!! and heated, I've not seen an engine compartment that didn't get dust and chaff into it, that exhaust system also certainly runs hotter then prior to dpf's

 

[Btown]

Insulated and shielded!!! and heated, I've not seen an engine compartment that didn't get dust and chaff into it, that exhaust system also certainly runs hotter then prior to dpf's

On large tractors and combines that run at full throttle all day long, the turbo chargers can get cherry red hot. They will stay hot till it is throttled down. DPF’s regenerate for about 15-30 minutes. Some makes have to be stopped to do this, some can regenerate on the go. If one is going to be doing a lot of work in very dry material, they should blow out the engine compartment there is no engine compartment that debris can not get in. I’m sure when these expensive rigs burn up the insurance company investigates to find out what caused the fire. But any part of the exhaust can cause a fire if exposed to combustibles. Bad bearing, belts, electrical shorts can all cause fires. So far the alternative to DPF’s on smaller tractors an aggressive EGR with a DOC are not trouble free.
Could a DPF cause a fire? Yes it could. But no more than the rest of the exhaust system.

 

[kthompson]

As an insurance agent do not ever think the size of an operation means how they think about any issue, much less insurance. I have sold with what was the largest insurance company at that time and all it meant was they were the largest. Nothing else. Did not mean they were the best, the smartest, best products...only the largest. Same thing with a farming operation or any other industry.

 

[Texasmark]

Only hay fire I ever had was in a round baler caused by a hot bearing. It can happen, even though I maintained unit and kept watch for hot components. I was lucky. Realized it and dumped bale....no fire in the roll, just the loose chaff that stays on the belts after dumping..... was close enough to water, ran over with the gate open and put the fire out....no damage. I could see the bearing smoking. Baler is '91 model I take it was from PO leaving it out in the weather.....rusted bearing.

 

[Tx Jim]

I wasn't as lucky as you as I lost a JD 435 rd baler to fire about 20 yrs ago. I thought I had fire extinguished 3 times then belt caught on fire & my water fire extinguisher became depleted of water. I disconnected baler from tractor & saved tractor from burning but baler was totalled. Lower tailgate brg was the culprit. IMHO having comprehensive insurance is a must have for rd baler & tractor.

 

[MHarryE]

Could someone please tell me which large tractor or combine needs to be stopped to do a regen? If I still had access to my files I could show you dozens of combine fires I investigated in the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s. Driving with parking brake on, failed bearings, electrical shorts, not cleaning chaff out of engine compartment, spilling oil during oil change and not cleaning it up so chaff collects instead of being blown out by air blast. Actually tractors with DPFs are less likely to start a field fire. Growing up our Farmall H and Allis-Chalmers B started several hay fires. We used them to pull loaded wagons to the barn and several times got there to find the load on fire due to hot carbon deposits from the heavy pull (for those tractors) blowing out the exhaust and starting the dry hay on fire. With the DPF there are no hot soot particles with which to contend. One sees more reports and pictures of fires now because we have the Internet and everyone has a camera phone.