Oil & Fuel Grease gun help please!

/ Grease gun help please! #1  

PAlittleKub

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I am totally new to these real tractors and am trying to grease my tractor for the first time. I got a Guardian grease gun and a flexible hose and greased my first fitting. Problem is that I can't get the end off of the nipple now and have no idea what I did wrong? Please help so my stupidness can finish greasing and get back on my new ride!!!
 
/ Grease gun help please! #2  
Been there.........even recently!

The connecter should be adjustable by "unscrewing" a little bit. The jaws inside that hold the zerk can be loosened to fit on and then tightened to grip it. Handy for when you are in an awkward position and can't hold the connector and pump the grease. Finger tight only-

I've also learned that once in a while, it doesn't hurt to take apart the connector and clean it up/make sure nothing broke. Just be careful- several small pieces. Not hard to do at all (except when I forget my glasses).
 
/ Grease gun help please!
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#4  
Nope, a fitting on the loader where it's down through a hole. I will try to loosen the end way up. Hope it works. Thanks.
 
/ Grease gun help please! #5  
Try this, open the handle on the gun. That will relieve a little pressure on the hose/nipple. Wrap a rag around the hose close to the coupler and then pull firmly - not jerking - just pull hard. Sometimes they will be hard to remove due to hydraulic pressure that builds up in the arrangement. Be sure to wipe the dirt off the nipple before greasing (keeps dirt out out of the bearing or bushing) and then wipe the excess grease off the nipple after greasing. This will make it less apt to attract dirt before the next greasing.
 
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#6  
Eureka! Thanks. Good to know about the "finger" tight. LOL
 
/ Grease gun help please! #7  
As others have said, loosen the 2 piece nozzle. There is a whole thread on this., and you may have to put a new greasegun in a vice to get the front part of the nozzle loosened. Yes I know, too late now. Some people have denied the fact the front of the nozzle even unscrews, because it was put on so tightly at the factory. Try this, Unscrew the front of the nozzle if you can, if you cannot try to move the whip part of the hose to the side as much as possible, and then "rotate" the whip at in a large circular motion with the nozzle always cocked to the side until it comes off. Some of the Zerks are very easily broken so be careful. I do not recommend pulling very hard at all. as the Zirks made from a zinc allow will break off easily. Good luck.

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/owning-operating/203295-grease-gun-screwdriver.html

James K0UA
 
/ Grease gun help please! #8  
I know everybody says to loosen the 2-piece nozzle, but my nozzle definitely is not adjustable that way, I'm pretty sure. I have a flexible hose like the OP describes, and what I have found to work is to kind of "tear" the nozzle off to the side. Leverage between the nozzle and the base of the zerk pops it off. If I try to pull straight back, it is much harder to get it off. In a pinch, I will take a flat-head screwdriver and put it between the nozzle and the base of the zerk and turn it to pry the nozzle off.

Some other grease gun tips for the OP, from one newbie to another.

1. Always make sure the plunger on the gun is securely locked back before opening it. If you take the top off with the plunger not locked, grease will go everywhere. Why would you do that? I don't know, but I did. Oops. Some people even stick a small bolt into the hole where the plunger goes, to prevent it from accidentally popping out when they're reloading.

2. Make sure the gun is totally empty before trying to reload it. If it is not totally empty, you won't be able to get the next tube fully inserted, and it'll be a mess. Sometimes, the gun acts like it's empty, but there is just some air in the line that you need to work out. Press the air release valve and work the handle. You may hear air "farting" out. Keep doing this until some grease squeezes out of the air release valve, which should indicate that the air has been worked out of the system.

3. Make sure your plunger head is turned the right way. They go one way for operation with a cardboard tube insert, and the other way if you are filling from a bulk bin without any insert. If you have it the wrong way, it won't work right.

4. You can tell how much grease is left in the gun by pulling the plunger handle back. As soon as it hits the plunger head, it will have extra resistance. When the gun is truly empty, the plunger head will be fully extended, and you will feel resistance almost as soon as you start drawing the handle back. This is useful if you are trying to tell the difference between an empty gun and a gun that has air bubbles stuck in it.

5. If you can't get a zerk to take grease, use a small allen wrench or other such device to push in on the spring-loaded pin in the zerk. Sometimes they get a little stuck, and this clears them out.

6. Many grease points are built so that the new grease pushes the old grease out, and you keep greasing until you see fresh grease coming out. The loader is an example of this. A few grease points are built so that you just push in a little bit of new grease, but none comes out. Where does it go? I have no idea. The grease points on the center of my tractor's front axle are like this. If you push too much grease into the latter kind of grease point, you will build up excess pressure and potentially blow a seal. Just a squirt or two is enough in those points. If you're not sure, what you can do is push in a squirt or two, then remove the grease gun and push in the spring-loaded pin in the zerk with a small allen wrench or something like that. If there is excess pressure, the grease will squirt back out again, relieving it.

As I said, these are just some things that I figured out in my first two or three grease intervals, that might be helpful to you. If any more experienced folks on here want to revise or correct any of these things, I hope they will.
 
/ Grease gun help please! #9  
I often keep a screwdriver or channel locks handy to help pop the gun off a couple fittings that seem to not want to let go. Haven't had issues with breaking anything, but then I'm not pounding on it either. It seems there are always a couple that don't cooperate but most are fine.
 
/ Grease gun help please! #10  
As others have said, loosen the 2 piece nozzle. There is a whole thread on this., and you may have to put a new greasegun in a vice to get the front part of the nozzle loosened. Yes I know, too late now. Some people have denied the fact the front of the nozzle even unscrews, because it was put on so tightly at the factory. Try this, Unscrew the front of the nozzle if you can, if you cannot try to move the whip part of the hose to the side as much as possible, and then "rotate" the whip at in a large circular motion with the nozzle always cocked to the side until it comes off. Some of the Zerks are very easily broken so be careful. I do not recommend pulling very hard at all. as the Zirks made from a zinc allow will break off easily. Good luck.

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/owning-operating/203295-grease-gun-screwdriver.html

James K0UA

- I ended up having to soak mine in PB blaster for a while before i was able to loosen it. Even with vice grips, I was pretty close to just squeezing the metal out of shape......

IMHO- you should never use a tool to "lever" off the grease connector. Maybe pliers to get a better grip and to wiggle it. I know zerks aren't too expensive to replace and likely will be the weak point. But, if something is stuck- there is usually a reason and force may make it worse.
 
/ Grease gun help please! #11  
Joshua, please take a picture for us of your nozzle. Hopefully a Macro pix up really close so we can see the Hairline of the nozzle where it comes apart.. There are a few that do not come apart, I agree. But the vast majority do. Most are put on by an air tool using 800 lb Gorilla at the factory. Think about the guts inside the Nozzle, the 3 or 4 chuck jaws the spring the check ball the rubber piece.. how did they get in there?. Once again there are some cheapies that crimp the end on at the factory, but they are very few. On my last new one I had to put the hex flats in a vise and use a pair of vice grips on the knurled end (ever wonder why the end is knurled?) to get it apart.. Almost had to destroy the metal to get it to loosen up. As for your front axle pivot zerk, the excess grease goes into the axle housing. On some Kubota's there is a very small pipe plug you are supposed to remove first then grease until grease comes out the plug hole, then reinstall the plug. Now go out to your shop and put your nozzle body in a vise and get a pair of good channel locks or vise grips and loosen up that da** nozzle tip.:)

James K0UA
 
/ Grease gun help please! #12  
my nozzle definitely is not adjustable that way, I'm pretty sure

Yes, I'd like to see a picture of that myself. I'll take your word for it, but I've never seen one on which you could not unscrew or loosen the front section.
 
/ Grease gun help please! #13  
Yes, I'd like to see a picture of that myself. I'll take your word for it, but I've never seen one on which you could not unscrew or loosen the front section.

Well, I'll say this: I have gone at it with a vice-grips and it didn't turn. But maybe y'all are right and it's just really really stuck.
 
/ Grease gun help please! #14  
Well, I'll say this: I have gone at it with a vice-grips and it didn't turn. But maybe y'all are right and it's just really really stuck.

Look in the end of it, does it look like the "guts" were installed then the front end was crimped in a press? If so then it does not come apart, but the VAST majority are not made that way. They do unscrew. Does it have hex flats and Knurling?
 
/ Grease gun help please! #15  
Well, I'll say this: I have gone at it with a vice-grips and it didn't turn. But maybe y'all are right and it's just really really stuck.

I'm sure not saying it was made to unscrew; only that I haven't seen one that wasn't, but from what some others are saying, such do exist. I have noticed that there are still things in this old world that I haven't seen.:laughing:
 
/ Grease gun help please! #16  
I had one that wasn't adjustable, threw it away. It was on a cheap (Chinese I think) grease gun. Replacement heads are cheap.
 
/ Grease gun help please! #17  
I'm wondering if parts of the grease guns weren't made in china?
 
/ Grease gun help please! #18  
I know everybody says to loosen the 2-piece nozzle, but my nozzle definitely is not adjustable that way, I'm pretty sure. I have a flexible hose like the OP describes, and what I have found to work is to kind of "tear" the nozzle off to the side. Leverage between the nozzle and the base of the zerk pops it off. If I try to pull straight back, it is much harder to get it off. In a pinch, I will take a flat-head screwdriver and put it between the nozzle and the base of the zerk and turn it to pry the nozzle off.

Some other grease gun tips for the OP, from one newbie to another.

1. Always make sure the plunger on the gun is securely locked back before opening it. If you take the top off with the plunger not locked, grease will go everywhere. Why would you do that? I don't know, but I did. Oops. Some people even stick a small bolt into the hole where the plunger goes, to prevent it from accidentally popping out when they're reloading.

2. Make sure the gun is totally empty before trying to reload it. If it is not totally empty, you won't be able to get the next tube fully inserted, and it'll be a mess. Sometimes, the gun acts like it's empty, but there is just some air in the line that you need to work out. Press the air release valve and work the handle. You may hear air "farting" out. Keep doing this until some grease squeezes out of the air release valve, which should indicate that the air has been worked out of the system.

3. Make sure your plunger head is turned the right way. They go one way for operation with a cardboard tube insert, and the other way if you are filling from a bulk bin without any insert. If you have it the wrong way, it won't work right.

4. You can tell how much grease is left in the gun by pulling the plunger handle back. As soon as it hits the plunger head, it will have extra resistance. When the gun is truly empty, the plunger head will be fully extended, and you will feel resistance almost as soon as you start drawing the handle back. This is useful if you are trying to tell the difference between an empty gun and a gun that has air bubbles stuck in it.

5. If you can't get a zerk to take grease, use a small allen wrench or other such device to push in on the spring-loaded pin in the zerk. Sometimes they get a little stuck, and this clears them out.

6. Many grease points are built so that the new grease pushes the old grease out, and you keep greasing until you see fresh grease coming out. The loader is an example of this. A few grease points are built so that you just push in a little bit of new grease, but none comes out. Where does it go? I have no idea. The grease points on the center of my tractor's front axle are like this. If you push too much grease into the latter kind of grease point, you will build up excess pressure and potentially blow a seal. Just a squirt or two is enough in those points. If you're not sure, what you can do is push in a squirt or two, then remove the grease gun and push in the spring-loaded pin in the zerk with a small allen wrench or something like that. If there is excess pressure, the grease will squirt back out again, relieving it.

As I said, these are just some things that I figured out in my first two or three grease intervals, that might be helpful to you. If any more experienced folks on here want to revise or correct any of these things, I hope they will.

Well done Sir!
 
/ Grease gun help please! #20  
Well, I'll say this: I have gone at it with a vice-grips and it didn't turn. But maybe y'all are right and it's just really really stuck.

Same here with a new John Deere branded gun. I nearly broke the zerk trying to get the collet off. I tried loosening it with my fingers but that didn't work. I tried using pliers... I finaly put the nozzle in a vise and locked onto the outer housing with vice grips. I applied enough force to start distorting the outer housing and schredding metal and it would not budge. Mine had hex flats and knurling. I agree they are supposed to turn and loosen but mine is going nowhere.
 

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