Grapple on a 2310

[DannyLobster]

I have been intrigued by the capabilities of a grapple in place of the the FEL. Has anyone tried putting one of these on a 2310?
Like the Millonzi LD 48
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I have some big concrete blocks I need to move. It looks like it may be pretty effective.
Dan

 

[DanielAlexander]

Hi Danny, I need a grapple for yard work , want a root rake one, Island Tractor's millonzi looks nice . I wanted to make one ,but the wife wants me to buy it , and work on the house. Anbo is my choice.

 

[DannyLobster]

Hi Danny, I need a grapple for yard work , want a root rake one, Island Tractor's millonzi looks nice . I wanted to make one ,but the wife wants me to buy it , and work on the house. Anbo is my choice.

Hi Dan,
Thanks for the lead. Those are nice looking units as well have you contacted them for pricing yet?
What made you decide on Anbo?

Dan

 

[IslandTractor]

Anbo's cost a LOT more than the Millonzi and are substantially heavier if I am recalling my figures correctly. I don't think there is an Anbo made that weighs only 285lbs like the Millonzi.

Be careful not to buy more grapple than you need as it will be both expensive and will limit your lift capacity. The Millonzi should handle concrete blocks fine and will certainly be able to hold more than your FEL can lift.

 

[DannyLobster]

Thanks Island
I suspected they were pricier. They do have one model which weighs in about the same. Two others are heavier. - 345 pounds.

Price and weight are my two main factors. I do not need super heavy duty. It seems the heavier the grapple, the less I will be able to pick up.

 

[IslandTractor]

It seems the heavier the grapple, the less I will be able to pick up.

Exactly. Also, consider that most grapples are actually designed for skidsteers which are likely to use them in more brutal ways than CUT owners would on their own property. A light weight grapple is really all almost any CUT owner needs. Some guys go overboard and get grapples made of T1 steel and grossly oversized for what they need but that is part of the same disease that gets people to buy 40+hp tractors to mow their lawns etc. The aim is to get the right tool for the right job and in the world of grapples only the smaller, lighter ones are really well matched to CUTs.

 

[DanielAlexander]

Hi Danny, Jeff at Anbo sent prices, 38" $2,420, 48" $2,375 with 6" spacing without hoses and mounts.I like the upper tine frame length, and close capability to 3", it's more like a rake to gather stuff.Can you get Millonzi prices,. I also like W.R.Long electric joy stick switch, for the third function.

 

[DannyLobster]

Hi Danny, Jeff at Anbo sent prices, 38" $2,420, 48" $2,375 with 6" spacing without hoses and mounts.I like the upper tine frame length, and close capability to 3", it's more like a rake to gather stuff.Can you get Millonzi prices,. I also like W.R.Long electric joy stick switch, for the third function.

Wow!
According to a recent post on the attachment forum, you can get three of the Millonzi's!
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/1118614-post18.html

I sent a note to Millonzi on Sat and am waiting for a return to determine cost for the GC2310.
There is a good thread going on over there where someone is documenting the install. He is using the electric switch.
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachments/98559-grapple-install.html
Dan K

 

[IslandTractor]

Wow!
According to a recent post on the attachment forum, you can get three of the Millonzi's!

The price you get from Millonzi sometimes varies according to the salesperson you talk to. Joe Millonzi is in charge of their internet/IT stuff and he seems to give the best prices especially if you identify yourself as being from TBN. Best way to reach him is via his TBN handle which is joe@millonzi

The price quoted for the Anbo is about three times the cost of the Millonzi 48LD. If you need to see what can be done with that grapple just search on some of my posts a few months ago using grapple and millonzi in search terms and look for the photos. No way a GC2310 needs (or could benefit from) a bigger grapple.

 

[Oleozz]

I'm not sure what people are paying for their Millonzi grapples but my neighbor has a new one sitting in his equipment yard that he paid $750 plus a 10% finders fee. I've looked it over carefully and it is built well and I would not want a heavier one on a 20 or 25 hp tractor. His will be used for picking up rocks with a skidsteer on the side of a mountain.

 

[2310 guy]

Hi Danny, Jeff at Anbo sent prices, 38" $2,420, 48" $2,375 with 6" spacing without hoses and mounts.I like the upper tine frame length, and close capability to 3", it's more like a rake to gather stuff.Can you get Millonzi prices,. I also like W.R.Long electric joy stick switch, for the third function.

$$$$ wow. That to rich for my blood. Looks like I might be making a grapple before buying one. What do you guys think the tines should be made out of? 1/4" or 3/8" steel? I would like to use 1/4" because its light and cheaper than 3/8". The problem is 1/4 might be to weak, even for the little 2310.

What do you 2310 guys think?

 

[DannyLobster]

$$$$ wow. That to rich for my blood. Looks like I might be making a grapple before buying one. What do you guys think the tines should be made out of? 1/4" or 3/8" steel? I would like to use 1/4" because its light and cheaper than 3/8". The problem is 1/4 might be to weak, even for the little 2310.

What do you 2310 guys think?

A bit rich for me too. I will let you know when I get a quote form Millonzi. I have seen $695 quoted a couple of times. nor sure what that includes or what else is needed.

Dan

 

[IslandTractor]

Sorry guys, I posted the wrong TBN user name for Joe Millonzi yesterday. It should be Joe@mi

Or, you can look at their website at Millonzi International Homepage

Again, I am not certain but I do think that Joe has access to better pricing for TBN folks than the regular sales staff.

 

[IslandTractor]

What do you guys think the tines should be made out of? 1/4" or 3/8" steel? I would like to use 1/4" because its light and cheaper than 3/8". The problem is 1/4 might be to weak, even for the little 2310.

What do you 2310 guys think?

I have the Millonzi LD48 and it has 3/8 inch steel "fangs" top and bottom (I forget the technical term right now). I don't think you'll find any grapples made with 1/4 inch mild steel. The LD48 weighs 285lbs which is only about 100-150lbs more than your basic bucket so it should leave you with a good amount of lift capacity.

 

[2310 guy]

I have the Millonzi LD48 and it has 3/8 inch steel "fangs" top and bottom (I forget the technical term right now). I don't think you'll find any grapples made with 1/4 inch mild steel. The LD48 weighs 285lbs which is only about 100-150lbs more than your basic bucket so it should leave you with a good amount of lift capacity.

Yeah, I kinda thought 1/4" would be to thin. This is probably a better grapple for my needs. I would make something like this out of 3/8". It shouldn't take to much lifting capacity away from the FEL either. The hardest part will be to find time between all my other projects.

 

[DannyLobster]

Yeah, I kinda thought 1/4" would be to thin. This is probably a better grapple for my needs. I would make something like this out of 3/8". It shouldn't take to much lifting capacity away from the FEL either. The hardest part will be to find time between all my other projects.

Hey 2310Guy
Where is the bolt on grapple from?
Dan

 

[IslandTractor]

Where is the bolt on grapple from?

It has a round tube so I think it is an ATI. Wikco makes essentially the same thing with a square tube. Nice design and pretty easy to install with only a few bolt holes to drill in either case. I recall the ATI is a bit more money.

Bucket grapples are definitely a major improvement over a plain bucket or bucket with just a toothbar and chain hooks. Night and day. However, a full grapple goes even further and does not cost much more. As I recall the ATI will set you back about $600, the Wikco about $500. That is not so far off from what the Millonzi LD48 costs (about $700).

There is one major advantage to the bucket grapples which is that it is always on the bucket (it can be taken off but there is not much reason to do so as the grapple would rarely interfer with regular bucket work) and also that unlike with a true full grapple, you still have the use of your bucket.

 

[2310 guy]

Hey 2310Guy
Where is the bolt on grapple from?
Dan

Here you go.
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I would make it with a sqaure tube opposed to the round one. The only part I haven't fugure out would be where to mount the control. Maybe foot control on the left side.

 

[DannyLobster]

There is one major advantage to the bucket grapples which is that it is always on the bucket (it can be taken off but there is not much reason to do so as the grapple would rarely interfer with regular bucket work) and also that unlike with a true full grapple, you still have the use of your bucket.

The Millonzi looks like it is a bit deeper. Is that an illusion or how deep is it from the back wall to the fang tip??
Plus it does not have the sides getting in the way allowing me to pick up longer stuff easier.

I have not yet taken the bucket off, but it does not look too bad.

I got a note back and need to complete a spec of my loader hitch.

Dan

 

[IslandTractor]

The Millonzi looks like it is a bit deeper. Is that an illusion or how deep is it from the back wall to the fang tip??
Plus it does not have the sides getting in the way allowing me to pick up longer stuff easier.

Don't take my positive comments on the bucket grapple as an indication that there are no advantages to the real grapple. Bucket grapples are compromises while real grapples are dedicated tools and therefore have some serious advantages. The real grapples are far more effective at grappling material for some of the reasons you indicated. The bucket sides do not interfer and they generally have a greater capacity per bite. You can also dig with them to rip up roots (hence the term root grapple) which would be done but much less efficiently with a bucket/toothbar combo. Bottom line is that the main advantage of a bucket grapple, like a Swiss Army knife, is that it is convenient and cheaper than a series of dedicated tools. The real grapple is going to out perform the bucket grapple in brush removal every time.

I'd personally like one of each . A dedicated grapple when I know I am clearing brush or moving stumps etc and a grapple bucket for general purpose bucket work where being able to grapple something rather than get off the tractor to chain it would be a great convenience.