Grapple for police cars
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jigs_n_fixtures
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The only potential issue I see is the probabilty of destroying brake lines. Not sure what level of liability an agency would have, if it ripped out the brakes but didn’t disable the vehicle, and the subject continued on into an accident.
fatjay
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The only issue I can see is how close they have to get to the back wheel. I'm sure damage to the vehicle is of no consequence to the officer in pursuit. The camera angle is not the point of view of the driver, it can be tricky to understand see what's going on or if you're lined up, lots can go wrong. If anything I would have an M configuration that expands maybe 6-8 so they don't have to get on top of the vehicle that is fleeing.
I can see a lot of potential issues with that. Have you ever had one rear wheel lock up at speed?
This is a slightly different take on the idea, from the 1958 movie "Thunder Road."
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This is a slightly different take on the idea, from the 1958 movie "Thunder Road."
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bmg88201
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I think that is cool as hell. Seems to work pretty good too. After they get the vehicle stopped then you let the K9 officer chew on their ass for awhile. Go get’em Smokey !!!
bmg88201
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I’m sure would deploy it in a safe area, like when they do a pit maneuve. Plus maybe these idiots might need to pull over when told too instead of acting like fool.
Diggin It
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Active interventions like P.I.T. are highly controversial and have caused a number of deaths. Some departments prohibit use of it while others restrict it to only specially trained officers and vehicles
I don't do videos, but various forms of devices deployed by pursuing vehicles have been tried over the years with varied results. None have been adopted to any scale.
One concept that holds some promise is 'tagging' vehicles with trackers launched from pursuing vehicles. The officers then back off out of site and track the vehicle electronically. They stay near enough to be able to move in once the vehicle stops or gets to an area that is safer for more active operations.
One of the main risks of any pursuit is the high adrenaline rate of all involved. It's been shown that the more officers try to stop a fleeing vehicle, the more those fleeing with try to avoid capture. Overt shows of force rarely entice fleeing drivers to stop. Sometimes, but rarely.
Once the pursuing vehicles back off, the suspects feel a sense of relief that they've 'gotten away' and slow down, blend in with other traffic and often go home or to other places they feel safe. They don't always know they're still being tracked by aircraft or other means until it's too late to escape again.
The days of wild hot pursuits really need to end. There are now too many other ways to apprehend with far less risk.
It may be good for the movies, but .....
I don't do videos, but various forms of devices deployed by pursuing vehicles have been tried over the years with varied results. None have been adopted to any scale.
One concept that holds some promise is 'tagging' vehicles with trackers launched from pursuing vehicles. The officers then back off out of site and track the vehicle electronically. They stay near enough to be able to move in once the vehicle stops or gets to an area that is safer for more active operations.
One of the main risks of any pursuit is the high adrenaline rate of all involved. It's been shown that the more officers try to stop a fleeing vehicle, the more those fleeing with try to avoid capture. Overt shows of force rarely entice fleeing drivers to stop. Sometimes, but rarely.
Once the pursuing vehicles back off, the suspects feel a sense of relief that they've 'gotten away' and slow down, blend in with other traffic and often go home or to other places they feel safe. They don't always know they're still being tracked by aircraft or other means until it's too late to escape again.
The days of wild hot pursuits really need to end. There are now too many other ways to apprehend with far less risk.
It may be good for the movies, but .....
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From:Active interventions like P.I.T. are highly controversial and have caused a number of deaths. Some departments prohibit use of it while others restrict it to only specially trained officers and vehicles
I don't do videos, but various forms of devices deployed by pursuing vehicles have been tried over the years with varied results. None have been adopted to any scale.
One concept that holds some promise is 'tagging' vehicles with trackers launched from pursuing vehicles. The officers then back off out of site and track the vehicle electronically. They stay near enough to be able to move in once the vehicle stops or gets to an area that is safer for more active operations.
One of the main risks of any pursuit is the high adrenaline rate of all involved. It's been shown that the more officers try to stop a fleeing vehicle, the more those fleeing with try to avoid capture. Overt shows of force rarely entice fleeing drivers to stop. Sometimes, but rarely.
Once the pursuing vehicles back off, the suspects feel a sense of relief that they've 'gotten away' and slow down, blend in with other traffic and often go home or to other places they feel safe. They don't always know they're still being tracked by aircraft or other means until it's too late to escape again.
The days of wild hot pursuits really need to end. There are now too many other ways to apprehend with far less risk.
It may be good for the movies, but .....
Vanishing Point (1971 film) - Wikipedia
"The 383 car was also used as the tow vehicle in the crash scene at the end of the movie. A quarter-mile cable was attached between the Challenger and an explosives-laden 1967 Chevrolet Camaro with the motor and transmission removed. The tow vehicle was driven by Loftin, who pulled the Camaro into the blades of the bulldozers at high speed. Loftin expected the car to go end over end, but instead it stuck into the bulldozers, which he thought looked better"
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I noticed they did not show another scenario where once stopped the driver hammers it wide open after shifting into reverse, possibly unwinding/releasing the grappler, then smashing in the front of the police vehicle.
More videos from the manufacturer:
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Videos - Grappler Police Bumper
These videos highlight how the Grappler Police Bumper affords LE a safe & effective maneuver of de-escalation of high speed pursuits...
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Thanks, after looking through other vids- it does look like there is almost no chance of being able to back up.More videos from the manufacturer:
Videos - Grappler Police Bumper
These videos highlight how the Grappler Police Bumper affords LE a safe & effective maneuver of de-escalation of high speed pursuits...
Bruce
Hopefully lives of Bystanders, Police, and even the runners will be saved.
jaxs
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What ever means police have to use wouldn't be necessary to use a second time near as often if once captured they were punished as deserved. For starters 10 year suspension of drivers license and felony charge if caught driving before suspension is lifted.
The problem with that is that they'll drive anyways. I've known a couple of people who never had a license yet always drove like they did... one guy even drove a pulp truck. They have an altogether different mindset which I wouldn't even try to understand.
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The problem? I think the problem is an attitude that says punishment isn't a deterrent to crime.
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Registered my muscle car just to get a personalized plate that might not be available in the future.
Doing body work- not even driving the car right now.
Got a nasty notice from the State to provide Insurance proof or they would rescind the registration and fine me $75 bucks to reinstate.
Lesson learned: don't register a car that will not be driven in the near future.
Another new law here.
Doing body work- not even driving the car right now.
Got a nasty notice from the State to provide Insurance proof or they would rescind the registration and fine me $75 bucks to reinstate.
Lesson learned: don't register a car that will not be driven in the near future.
Another new law here.
It's been that way here for years. Too many people were driving without it, then when it became mandatory they would get insurance, register their car, then cancel. I saw some lean times in my younger years and went without a lot of things.Auto insurance was not one of them.
What should we do, fine them more than they will ever have? They still are going to keep driving. lock them up forever? Do you want to pay that bill? I'm not saying it's right; just saying that's the way that it is.
