Got an interesting letter from the RCMP today

[Shield Arc]

 

[3930dave]

I think one of the complainers mentioned that it would be illegal to use a non-certified welder in a business capacity.

Liability..... varies......

If you only use your welder in an isolated Quonset hut, in the middle of a gravel pit..... you probably can't hurt much, outside of the operator.

A big Nissan dealership near me had a major fire during renovations a few years back. Plenty of reno fires start the same way as that one did - welding. If I was doing that type of work commercially, would I count on my insurance company not weaseling out of a million dollar fire claim by using a welder cert excuse ? 25 years ago, maybe..... today, not a chance.

Rgds, D.

 

[3930dave]

Add to that the fact that if my house or shop burns to the ground and the fire inspector/investigator finds a non-compliant Everlast welder in the ruins, I am probably out of luck on the insurance.

I think that may have something to do with the police advising me to be rid of the thing asap.

Like any major organization, the RCMP will have a legal department. In a situation like this, the legal recommendation would be to advise the public to cease using the product - recommending it being destroyed guarantees that nobody else can later be injured by an allegedly defective product. Legal CYA in other words.

Does that legal recommendation have anything to do with alleged technical problems ? Who knows, I sure don't at this point, and I suspect the average legal dept just takes this approach by default in these situations.

Data - how about some ? A lot of this debate would be silenced by clear and complete statements by Everlast and CSA concerning what the conflicts points are.

If the problem is that somebody picked the wrong Pantone # (for colour) on the approval stickers (it can be this simple), then spell it out - most of use will then say "Are you ______ kidding me ?!!!!" .

Rgds, D.

 

[Furu]

Less hysterics, less foaming at the mouth.

There is a vaccine for that.

 

[Arc weld]

The point of my response is that the letter first states a recall. That usually involves returning the product to get it updated or something faulty repaired at no cost to the customer. In every recall notice I've ever seen, the problem/potential problem is clearly stated. If the problem is that a CSA sticker was applied but the units were never tested, then the RCMP/CSA or what ever gov't. agency handles this issue, should be going after Everlast, not telling the customer to destroy their machines. I don't think it would matter if it's a home owner using the machine or a commercial business. If there is a problem that could cause a fire or something else of serious nature, there should be a clearly defined recall notice just like vehicle recalls. If it's just that the units were never CSA tested and approved, then charge Everlast the cost to test them and see if they pass instead of keeping the actual problem hush hush and telling the customer to destroy their machines.


"Data - how about some ? A lot of this debate would be silenced by clear and complete statements by Everlast and CSA concerning what the conflicts points are."

Exactly!:thumbsup:


I know a guy who used to be a salesman for a trucking outfit. One of his biggest customers ran a chain of novelty/discount stores selling all kinds of odd things. The owner had been fined numerous times for selling non CSA compliant products. It didn't seem to bother him to much because by the time he was issued an order to stop selling the item(s) and the subsequent fine, he had sold enough of the item(s) that the fine was a minimal expense in the overall operation of his business. He had a warehouse full of products that he wasn't supposed to sell and if I recall, after a couple years, he'd put some of them back on the shelf. Nothing happens unless somebody complains.

 

[lilranch2001]

Fred, why don't you and Lilranch, and some others, just chill and let this play out. All this nonsensical bickering is liable to get this thread shut down. I would like to see how this is going to be resolved between Everlast and RCMP/ CSA.

If I got a letter from a federal law enforcement agency, and was told of possible safety concerns of a product I had bought that drastically changed the value and usability of it, I would want answers too.

I'm not taking sides, but I do want to see this play out. This is an interesting thread and I would like to see both sides of this particular issue without all the bickering.

I just checked, this is an open forum and we are all allowed to make our points as long as we follow the rules.
Please advise where Fred and I have not.

 

[Buckgnarly]

Is Jim Jones the founder of Everlast? Seriously, can Everlast be questioned on here without some huge following trying to justify the possibility of selling fraudulent products?

A somewhat legitimate claim (pending confirmation by a legitimate LEO agency letter, to be honest I cannot read it nor am I in CA) about fraudulent safety labeling leads to a sidetracked discussion of gov agencies....but loses the sight of the problem....YET MORE DANGEROUS OR DEADLY CRAP FROM CHINA....see a pattern?

The behavior of some on here when someone on here brings up problems or questions regarding Everlast is amazing. It's as if you are questioning the mighty Oz?.....once again, I will go hide....:laughing::2cents::thumbsup:

 

[dragoneggs]

Is Jim Jones the founder of Everlast? Seriously, can Everlast be questioned on here without some huge following trying to justify the possibility of selling fraudulent products?

The behavior of some on here when someone on here brings up problems or questions regarding Everlast is amazing. It's as if you are questioning the mighty Oz?.....once again, I will go hide....:laughing::2cents::thumbsup:

I think most of the clamor has more to do with the OP's tact and professionalism exhibited. As others have mentioned, more facts are necessary to understand the issue. Until we have that, we are all just bloviating.

 

[Buckgnarly]

I think most of the clamor has more to do with the OP's tact and professionalism exhibited. As others have mentioned, more facts are necessary to understand the issue. Until we have that, we are all just bloviating.

Absolutely right....but so many on here are quick to jump to the aid of Everlast and suspend belief that there may be some serious safety issues, it makes me wonder. IF ( and a big IF, but important nonetheless) the OP is right, then serious problems with QC could be happening, problems that have shown up in the past from PRC. Just trying to keep an open mind, and once again my two:2cents::thumbsup:

Also, don't lose sight that professionalism could be questioned by the passive aggressive attack of the OP's job/free time by one on here.....it goes both ways if you want to be "professional".:thumbsup:

 

[square1]

CE, CSA, UL certification/listing is just a design and component approval. We built all our control panels to a standard that could be UL Listed, but didn't UL List them unless the customer asked (and paid) for that listing.

If Everlast represented the welder(s) as CSA/CE/UL and they weren't, then they should either get the design listed (in our case that would not be a problem, ever) or if the machine cannot meet the standard, replace it with one that does. Just because the machine isn't listed / certified doesn't necessarily make it a dangerous or bad product, it just makes it the wrong product for the user that needs that certification.