Goodbye Kubota, Hello Power Trac

   / Goodbye Kubota, Hello Power Trac #121  
No cab, no heat and a/c, no thanks, I'll keep the Kubota, besides that's one ugly machine looks like a 1950's tonka toy

Lol, I was put off by the looks too. Looked like a golf cart to me, but i sucked it up and bought. Very glad i did, it was better then the kubota's i had been using. If i were dirt farming, i'd get a real tractor for moving soil, but for anything else i do, the PT is much faster and more stable for me.
 
   / Goodbye Kubota, Hello Power Trac #122  
No cab, no heat and a/c, no thanks, I'll keep the Kubota, besides that's one ugly machine looks like a 1950's tonka toy

Lol, I was put off by the looks too. Looked like a golf cart to me, but i sucked it up and bought. Very glad i did, it was better then the kubota's i had been using. If i were dirt farming, i'd get a real tractor for moving soil, but for anything else i do, the PT is much faster and more stable for me.
 
   / Goodbye Kubota, Hello Power Trac #123  
You gotta love the folks that weigh in without the benefit of experience.

Virtually all of the PT owners have conventional tractor experience. The fact that they bought them, and kept them is evidence that the PTs have a role.

For many PT owners CUTs just don't...CUT it.

Of course, Your Mileage Will Vary...

Personally, I try to listen to folks who have first hand experience so that I can learn from them, rather than trying to have to go through the experience myself. Growing up, our next-door neighbor rolled a conventional tractor on a hillside. End of him. End of the family farm. Radical change in life for his wife and kids. My current property has 35degree plus slopes. His memory is why I didn't by CUT, but everyone is different, and we all have differing needs.

My very selfish goal is trying not to win a Darwin award.

All the best,

Peter
 
   / Goodbye Kubota, Hello Power Trac #124  
I got a few honorable mentions in that contest, but, fortunately, never the gold.
 
   / Goodbye Kubota, Hello Power Trac #125  
Like I said, they may be just the ticket for some. I just don't like those small diameter tires.

This would be more interesting to me...

 
   / Goodbye Kubota, Hello Power Trac #126  
Or This...

 
   / Goodbye Kubota, Hello Power Trac #127  
Sitting on an airplane and read through this thread for reasons unknown... but I did enjoy it. Some things have changed in 17 years... some things not! Thanks for bringing this to life again. I知 gaining an appreciation for Powertracs.

If you ever get a chance to run one, take it. I was dead set on getting a CUT when I was ready to downsize from my IH2500b. Then I happened upon this thread, and got to talking, and thinking about what tasks I had to do, and the best machine to do those tasks. After about a year of research, I had narrowed down my choices to a John Deere 4100HST, a Kubota BX2200, a New Holland TC21D, a Cub Cadet 7205 and a Power-Trac PT425. For various reasons, I went with the PT425. I won't go into them all, but can provide about 3 pages of reasons and comparisons if asked, that I documented back in 2002. The only one that came close in price was the Kubota, but I didn't fit on it very well, and did not like the single directional pedal. The only other one that I fit on comfortably beside the PT425 was the NH. From and ergonomic standpoint, that NH was right up there. Very nice and comfortable operating station. The steering wheel hit my knees on the several models. They felt like a kid's pedal car when I sat on them, so they were out just like that. I'm not gonna sit on a machine for hours upon hours with the steering wheel between my legs, or my knees hitting things.

The PT425 you don't sit on, you sit in it. There's foot wells for your feet, and there's a tunnel between your legs. You are LOW to the ground. It's more like a cockpit. Very, very stable on side hills. If I stand next to my PT425, I can put my nose on top of the canopy. So its only about 5.5' tall. The ROPS and steel canopy are included. It's strong enough to stand on top of, and I weighed 238 at my peak. There's not a piece of plastic on it as far as skin goes. The entire thing is made of plate steel. It's a tank. There's very, very few holes underneath it, so, it is essentially, two steel tubs with very little to hang up on underneath. I'd call it skid plates, but they aren't removable.

The PT425 is only 42" wide, so I can (and did), back it up into my 8' pickup truck bed with the tailgate removed. I used the factory ramps secured to my steel bumper with rebar pins. It fits between the wheel wells. And I could have implement on it when I backed it into the truck, like my 60" finish mower, or 48" brush cutter. Or, I could nest my pallet forks in my small rock bucket with teeth, inside my large light material bucket, and take a swiss army knife to a job site. It fits through 48" yard gates. I can pick up the 60" mower deck sideways with the forks, and take it through gated areas, drop the forks, pick up the deck, mow the area, drop the deck, pick up the forks and take it back throug the gate.

The icing on the cake is the quick attach system. Changing an implement in less than 15 seconds without getting off the tractor is just so pleasing to do. You just can't do that with a standard 3pt hitch and drive shaft. Hydraulically powered implements require an additional 30 seconds to get off and hook up two hoses.

I just can't stress enough how nice it is to actually look forward to changing implements 15-20 times in a day without batting an eye. It's like taking a toolbox with you. Just increadible. I smile every time I operate it. It's that satisfying.

Then, of course, there's the love-hate of it. I tend to abuse the machine pushing it harder and harder. I've broken a few things, bent the forks prying out concrete post anchors, cracked the brush hog deck, shattered brush hog wheels, etc... but I have a couple welders, a torch, and a sledgehammer. :laughing:

Anyhow, you get the idea. I love the machine. I wouldn't have bought one sight-unseen, but I was fortunate to come across a local landscaper that had two of them, and he showed me how it worked and I was hooked. Ordered it on a Friday and it showed up three days later on Monday.

The last driving factor in my decision to purchase the PT425 was the price. In 2001, it was $8000.00 for the tactor with the lift arms and quick attach installed. All of the implements also were very resonably priced. The small bucket was $300.00. The teeth were $100.00, the 60" mower was $1200.00, the 60" power angle snow blade was $450.00 and the large light material bucket was under $400.00. I got a 48" brush cutter, pallet forks and loading ramps, too. All told, the entire package was under $13,000.00 delivered. I couldn't touch that price for any of the other units that I looked at.

Try it, you'll like it. ;) It'll run circles around a standard tractor of similar size and weigth in tasks like mowing, brush cutting, moving material from point A to point B, post hole digging, snow removal, tilling, trencher.... pretty much anything other than pulling tasks, like stump pulling, pulling a dirt plow, etc.... that's the trade-off, since it doesn't have hi-lo ranges. And the side-hill stability is really, really nice, too.

Anyhow, that's enough. Don't knock 'em till you try 'em, as they say. :thumbsup:
 
   / Goodbye Kubota, Hello Power Trac #128  
Like I said, they may be just the ticket for some. I just don't like those small diameter tires.

This would be more interesting to me...


Yes, that would be fun. No loader, and I can lift my brush cutter 5' in the air to bring it down on honeysuckle and rose bushes, but I'd still take it if someone gave it to me. :thumbsup:
 
   / Goodbye Kubota, Hello Power Trac #129  
I looked at the Antonio very very seriously. 50K to get into one and no loader to speak of. Also, not that great on side slopes (30 degree rated as I remember). They are beautiful machines, and a number of vineyards and orchards in the area work with them but I don't have vineyard money.

But can someone tell me what that crazy tiller is in the video? Like a horse kicking the ground.
 
   / Goodbye Kubota, Hello Power Trac #131  

No, it's not. It's not capable of having an FEL, and it doesn't have the side slope capability of the Power Trac. I'm sure it has its place, but for the price, and the tasks I do.... I wouldn't want one. The Power Trac would outwork it in tasks like mowing, brush cutting, moving material from A to B, excavating, post hole digging, snow removal....
 
   / Goodbye Kubota, Hello Power Trac #132  
I'd have to say, the Carraro is a pretty machine and i'd like to have the price of one sitting in a IRA and i don't have any prejudice, for or, against smaller wheels. :laughing:
 
   / Goodbye Kubota, Hello Power Trac #133  
So not that anyone really cares but that Antonio commercial should be causing fits at the factory. I produce commercials as well as movies, a nice side gig for extra money.... The rules for commercials are huge. 3 things right off the bat... First is that the tractors appear in every shot without ROPS. You are selling safety, its in the dialogue, and yet you do not put the ROPS up? And then the shot with the torn up seat. You like gear to look like it is used, not like the seat will wear out on you in 6 months. And seats are about the biggest gripe on a tractor. and finally the tractor is seen towing a spraying tank and running a mower. Man, you got 2.5 minutes of video and all yo show is the tractor doing nothing but going up and down a row with nothing on it. And honestly those rows look abit meh... the vineyards I have been in make sure no grass is in the rows or at leatst it is mowed.

Still, would buy one if I could afford one.
 
   / Goodbye Kubota, Hello Power Trac #134  
So, I get that Powertrac owners love their tractors. Like I said, they have their place (suburban and small acreage, maybe hillsides). But if they really were that far superior to CUTs, they would have a larger market share, and Deere and Kubota would have dealerships loaded with their own versions. Powertrac has found a niche, and make a profit in that space. Good for them, and good for you. I get that they are all that for you. For the rest of us - meh.
 
   / Goodbye Kubota, Hello Power Trac #136  
Most people do not think outside of the box and Power Trac does not have a dealer network. You have to be fairly independent or have a good hydraulics shop. Imagine if all you had ever used/seen was a CUT for moving material on a farm or specialized use. Then you would never be thinking skid steer. If you look at European tractors, they have been coming out with lots of versatile machines that you will not find with Kubota, NH, JD.

The size of the parcel is not so important. I use it on 15 acres but I have also used it to maintain 250 acres. What is important are the tasks you need to do. I would not use a PT for serious farming. For food plots etc, sure but probably with using the rototiller. For property maintenance, it is a great machine. I plow several driveways, 1 over a quarter mile long. When we get serious snows, i push back the piles that the snow plow people can not. All of the minor pulling out of logs and firewood is done with the PT as well as digging 5' deep trenches. I no longer do much bush hogging these days. It has also been used for stump grinding, box blade and rear blade work (although it is not the best suited for these), and the biggest uses as loader and lifting boom.
 
   / Goodbye Kubota, Hello Power Trac #137  
So not that anyone really cares but that Antonio commercial should be causing fits at the factory. I produce commercials as well as movies, a nice side gig for extra money.... The rules for commercials are huge. 3 things right off the bat... First is that the tractors appear in every shot without ROPS. You are selling safety, its in the dialogue, and yet you do not put the ROPS up? And then the shot with the torn up seat. You like gear to look like it is used, not like the seat will wear out on you in 6 months. And seats are about the biggest gripe on a tractor. and finally the tractor is seen towing a spraying tank and running a mower. Man, you got 2.5 minutes of video and all yo show is the tractor doing nothing but going up and down a row with nothing on it. And honestly those rows look abit meh... the vineyards I have been in make sure no grass is in the rows or at leatst it is mowed.

Still, would buy one if I could afford one.

Yeah, I was kinda wondering about that, too.
 
   / Goodbye Kubota, Hello Power Trac #139  
Mark, from your information and praise, I think I should have looked at PowerTrac when my sorry JD 1025R kept going bad on me. Finally got a 2025R but had looked at a Kubota B2301 before. Should have gone to the dealership (one in Ch'ville that carries them) and looked at them. First I looked at them, smallest diesel was 30 hp. That's a big too much hp for me.

Ralph
 
   / Goodbye Kubota, Hello Power Trac #140  
The only slope claim on the Antonio Carrera site that I can find is a 27 degree “attack angle” for one model. I had remembered the side slope was more like 15 degrees, but I can’t find a number on any of their literature. Most of the sales pitch is for vines straight up and straight down.

Finding the “right” tractor is very individual specific. That’s why I like be this forum- so many other folks willing to share experiences and help everyone else out.

THANK YOU ALL!!

I’m with craigy2- the best place for that Carrera is in your IRA. :thumbsup:

All the best,

Peter
 

Tractor & Equipment Auctions

2019 INTERNATIONAL LT625 TANDEM AXLE SLEEPER (A59904)
2019 INTERNATIONAL...
2020 CAT 308 (A53317)
2020 CAT 308 (A53317)
2025 MMS MS36C (A53317)
2025 MMS MS36C...
2019 Allmand Night-Lite V-Series 7 kW S/A Towable Light Tower (A55973)
2019 Allmand...
ALLMETAL MOBILE PRESSURE WASHER (A58214)
ALLMETAL MOBILE...
2012 VOLVO A40F OFF ROAD DUMP TRUCK (A60429)
2012 VOLVO A40F...
 
Top