Good morning!!!!

[Buppies]

Thanks Bird

 

[RedNeckGeek]

it all sounds good RNG except the liquid smoke. Go easy on that stuff ...

The European Food Safety Authority, the health arm of the European Union, has conducted a series of investigations
to determine the safety of liquid smoke flavorings derived from different types of hardwood.

A large driver in these investigations lies in the fact that liquid smoke contains polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs),
a family of chemical compounds. A handful of its members been linked to carcinogenic effects and DNA damage.
For example, Primary Product AM 01, a flavoring derived from burning beechwood, is considered a safety concern
due to findings that it might cause DNA mutations when consumed.

Liquid Smoke: The History Behind a Divisive Culinary Shortcut - Eater

How many tons of Primary Product AM 01 flavoring does it take to kill you? :laughing: I have hickory and mesquite on the shelf, so it looks like I'll be safe. But wouldn't a charcoal fired BBQs deliver the same chemicals to your food? Good thing I gave up charcoal years ago!

 

[rswyan]

interesting social good question. There was a big upset in the beginning about holding back doses for second shot and not sure how that got resolved.

Indeed.

But clear this is a huge logistical challenge to get this done in 6 weeks.
Yes I'm happy my Moderna first shot is 91 percent effective.
But if you offered me a free plane ticket and 9 percent of the free tickets crashed,
those aren't odds I'd be happy about.

From a personal interest perspective, that's entirely understandable.

But public health officials have a duty to operate from a broader mandate: what's in the best interests of the group overall, rather than any single individual ...

what no one has discussed is what happens if you get your second shot two months later? Three months?
Do you lose all the immunities so far?

Good question.

 

[RedNeckGeek]

what no one has discussed is what happens if you get your second shot two months later? Three months?
Do you lose all the immunities so far?

Vaccines work by teaching your body to make antibodies to the disease, but they don't kill you like exposure to the disease might. We've had vaccines for polio, measles, and tons of other diseases in the past, and they only required one dose to provide a lifetime of immunity. Why should CoVid-19 be any different?

Paging Dr. Don to the white courtesy telephone...:laughing:

 

[pennwalk]

It started snowing yesterday about 5am. Fine snow and sleet. Never too heavy. Stopped around 1pm. 3-3 1/2 inches. I couldn't decide weather to clear or not. I decided to err on the side of lazy.:laughing: In the after noon it misted and froze on the ground. Clear overnight. Light snow started after breakfast. It is supposed to end by lunchtime. Between the weather and the pandemic we are as jumpy as cats. Hope our house doesn't start popping or I will be hanging from the ceiling.:confused2:

My wife picked up the landline Wed. Since then we have been getting a steady stream of calls. There were 3 messages telling us our Amazon account was being billed $849 and wanting us to call to confirm. My wife wanted to call so I checked the number on Google. Known scam.:thumbdown:

Plan to give the snowblower a lite workout after lunch.

I'm thinking of you Texas tractor boys. We had an ice storm a couple of years ago that left us without power for 4 days. Thank goodness for the power crews from Georgia who got us hooked back up. We were just about to drain the pipes and get a hotel room.

I will be interested to hear what the experts think is happening with the pandemic here in the USA. I don't think they expected cases and deaths to be going down so quickly.

Stay warm.

Chris

 

[check]

I like your airplane analogy, Drew. It works for the N95 masks, too, in that 5% of the airborne particles still make it through the mask. WRT efficacy rates, though, 5% of 220,000,000 people is still 11,000,000 cases of CV19, 1% of which, or another 110,000 will die. If that 5% turns out to be the difference between one dose and two, we'd better stick with two, IMHO.

But, from what I've read, the clinical trials that have started are still being monitored to help determine the long term effects. I haven't read of any trials, other than the J&J, that administered only a single dose. And with the J&J vaccine, efficacy was only 90%, so you lose that 110,000 folks right up front. Given the choice, I'd pick one of the two dose vaccines. But since there seems to be a supply issue, until it's resolved we'll have to stick with the hand sanitizer, face masks, and social distancing discipline. From what I saw in town yesterday, more and more people are ignoring those simple precautions.

I did find some N95 face masks last week. Not on Amazon, who is restricting their sales to those in essential areas, but from ebay, which apparently has no such scruples. They're a new type I haven't tried before, and were designed to fold flat for easy transport. That makes them a little more fiddly to put on, but I think they fit better, and they're a lot easier to breathe through than my previous mask that I've been using for almost 18 months. Here are the order details:
Order date: 2/11/2021 - eBay user globedrug ( 834 )
Order total: $22.28
3M Aura 9205 Plus N95 Particulate Respirator Disposable Protective Mask (5 Pack)
You should get this by Mon, Feb 22.

Let's not forget that these 95% "protection" rates from Pfizer and Moderna were based upon infections with symptoms. Remember, up to 40% or so of people infected are asymptomatic. And in December, they admitted that their vaccines are only 2/3 effective when we consider these asymptomatic infections. And of course, while asymptomatic "infectees" do not feel sick (or even know they have the virus), they can nonetheless infect others. So let's not be sanguine about this.

 

[toppop52]

It's funny how they say whatever fits their present dilemma. How do they issue the first shot to patients and not have the second one waiting when it's a 2 shot vaccine?

There is a much longer window to get the second shot than they first thought, at least 42 days but maybe as long as 90 days or more. Plus you only gain about 2-3% with the second shot. Only caveat is how long the immunity lasts one shot vs two.

Ellen gets her first tomorrow morning.

 

[kenmbz]

Good morning all, 24 going up to 34 , had about 5" of wet snow yesterday.
Little tractor and plow worked fine, icy and snowing again this morning.

Kyle-sorry to hear about pharmacy experience and hope the wife recovers quickly. And of course we hope it warms up soon so Texas can get back to some semblance of normal.
LS - well good news on the knee recovery-2nd the PT warning- don't wait for them.
Mostly - if board has no power, lots of the time it's a capacitor on the power supply side, they die on any overvoltage (round ones standing up from board). Could be the relay too they sometimes smoke their contacts. Whats near R19? the backside of the board does look funny there.
Goo work on the rescue Sodamo - The new Super Dave
Workinonit - hope the flooding recedes. Wet shop not fun

PA is having more issues with vaccine- some 2nd doses given as first doses to new people. Some software glitches shutting down sites for days. But the Gov is still pushing for pot and lowering taxes for families by raising the income tax??-I think I know what he's smoking.

Stay safe and be well and hope Texas gets a break soon from the freeze

 

[rswyan]

Let's not forget that these 95% "protection" rates from Pfizer and Moderna were based upon infections with symptoms. Remember, up to 40% or so of people infected are asymptomatic. And in December, they admitted that their vaccines are only 2/3 effective when we consider these asymptomatic infections. And of course, while asymptomatic "infectees" do not feel sick (or even know they have the virus), they can nonetheless infect others. So let's not be sanguine about this.

:thumbsup:

 

[rswyan]

There is a much longer window to get the second shot than they first thought, at least 42 days but maybe as long as 90 days or more. Plus you only gain about 2-3% with the second shot. Only caveat is how long the immunity lasts one shot vs two.

Ellen gets her first tomorrow morning.

Very good news ... :thumbsup: