gm buying dodge?

[workinallthetime]

anyone see the news about the talks gm is having with dalmler crysler? A possible merge in the future. gm and dodge are workign together to get a large suv in the dodge lineup maybe a duragahoe? lol. I also read where gm and ford got together to build a new transmission i think its new 6 speed coming out (not allison). I think its kinda funny ford uses allison considering they are partly owned by gm. Whats with toyota in nascar? The new tundra is really going after the 1500 class trucks, I just cant see pulling anything heavy 10,000 with a toy, but they say it will

BOWTIES, BLUE OVALS, RAMS AND A T CIRCLE THING HMMM

 

[DieselPower]

At the rate their going there will only be the big "One" not the big three.

 

[Dmace]

GM is trying to buy Daimler which is a partner corporation for Mercedes-Benz. They are not trying to merge with Dodge or Chrysler. Although, all the Chevy and Ford trucks are already copying all the designs and technologies from Dodge, so they might as well.

 

[jwstewar]

GM is trying to buy Daimler which is a partner corporation for Mercedes-Benz. They are not trying to merge with Dodge or Chrysler. Although, all the Chevy and Ford trucks are already copying all the designs and technologies from Dodge, so they might as well.

Sorry Derek, GM is in talks to by Chrysler from Daimler. You can read about it here in the USAToday

 

[workinallthetime]

GM is trying to buy Daimler which is a partner corporation for Mercedes-Benz. They are not trying to merge with Dodge or Chrysler. Although, all the Chevy and Ford trucks are already copying all the designs and technologies from Dodge, so they might as well.

huh? i see the copy type thing with the hhr and thats about it.
doesnt ford own cummins now?

 

[montanaman]

GM is trying to buy Daimler which is a partner corporation for Mercedes-Benz. They are not trying to merge with Dodge or Chrysler. Although, all the Chevy and Ford trucks are already copying all the designs and technologies from Dodge, so they might as well.

That's why a bought a Chevy dually, because the Allison 6 speed tranny was a copy of the Dodge automatic and the v comfiguration Duramax is a twin to the inline 6 Cummins. The other thing I liked is that my IFS is just like the solid front axle on the Dodge trucks.

Now if only my Chevy sat a foot higher like the Dodge so I'd need a step ladder to clean the snow from the windshield.

Were you at all serious with this??

Ken

 

[Iplayfarmer]

I've seen and heard the news. I guess that there are a few car companies looking at the package with Chrysler. I guess there are some foreign companies interested in addition to GM.

What I don't get is why GM, which just posted huge losses and is trying to downsize, is going to gain from buying Chrysler, which just posted losses and is trying to downsize. Seems a bit counterproductive to me.

 

[Egon]

doesnt ford own cummins now?

Back in the 1990's?? Ford had about 7% of cumin's stock which they have long since sold off!

 

[KICK]

I don't know where anybody gets the idea that Allison copied Mopar on the truck trannies.

allison is a wholly owned subsidiary of General motors.

been around for many,many years.

you see a school bus, garbage truck, tranist bus on the road, chances are it has an Allison Automatic Tranny.

the Allison in the pickups is a version of the A1000 that is used in school buses. dodge just uses a beefed up version of the POS they always used.cant evne compare the two, the Allison is a much more heavy duty tranny.

 

[Timber]

GM & Mopar That is just so Wrong I don't like that at all

 

[Z-Michigan]

That's why a bought a Chevy dually, because the Allison 6 speed tranny was a copy of the Dodge automatic and the v comfiguration Duramax is a twin to the inline 6 Cummins. The other thing I liked is that my IFS is just like the solid front axle on the Dodge trucks.

Now if only my Chevy sat a foot higher like the Dodge so I'd need a step ladder to clean the snow from the windshield.

Were you at all serious with this??

Ken

LOL

Great description of the similarities, I mean differences, between the Dodge and Chevy diesel pickups.

 

[wushaw]

That's why a bought a Chevy dually, because the Allison 6 speed tranny was a copy of the Dodge automatic and the v comfiguration Duramax is a twin to the inline 6 Cummins. The other thing I liked is that my IFS is just like the solid front axle on the Dodge trucks.

Now if only my Chevy sat a foot higher like the Dodge so I'd need a step ladder to clean the snow from the windshield.

Were you at all serious with this??

Ken

They do both use the same rearend from American axle, except Gm has a drain plug and Dodge does not.
I don't own a pickup so I'm not too concerned with which big 3 is better than the other, I just know my Pete will put em all to shame in the pulling department

 

[DieselPower]

They do both use the same rearend from American axle, except Gm has a drain plug and Dodge does not.
I don't own a pickup so I'm not too concerned with which big 3 is better than the other, I just know my Pete will put em all to shame in the pulling department

Yeah but that's a real truck not a wannabe truck.

 

[joes_427_vette]

Chevy and Ford trucks are already copying all the designs and technologies from Dodge, so they might as well.[/QUOTE]


WHAT A JOKE !! The only value item Dodge has is a cummings diesel... which they had no part in designing. Dodge had a cab and one half truck years ago that never sold ( along with ford ). When GM introduced it with the new design Dodge copied it back in 94 . They are not known for designing, just copying what is popular. Todays paper has 1/2 ton dodges at 12k off retail, still trying to sell the left over 06s. And don't insult Allison by calling it a copy of a Chrysler design. Dodge transmissions by no means are bullet proof. GM definately doesn't need a dodge in their garage.

 

[KICK]

I believe when it comes to manual gearboxes and related items, GM and Mopar have a cooperative effort called New Venture ( New Process)

 

[RobertN]

Chevy and Ford trucks are already copying all the designs and technologies from Dodge, so they might as well.

WHAT A JOKE !! The only value item Dodge has is a cummings diesel... which they had no part in designing. Dodge had a cab and one half truck years ago that never sold ( along with ford ). When GM introduced it with the new design Dodge copied it back in 94 . They are not known for designing, just copying what is popular. Todays paper has 1/2 ton dodges at 12k off retail, still trying to sell the left over 06s. And don't insult Allison by calling it a copy of a Chrysler design. Dodge transmissions by no means are bullet proof. GM definately doesn't need a dodge in their garage.

The only value item for Dodge is the Cummins? How about Jeep. And the Hemi branding. And the Challenger coming out before a lagging new Camaro(both late in reality, to the Mustang). The Chrysler line has definitely come out with some decent designs, like the 300, the Ram(consider they had a really poor truck line before), the Viper, the new Jeeps...

What has GM come out with?

All the manufactuers copy each other, leap frogging along, and not just the "Big-3".

Right now, GM is not so hot, and having too many of it's own problems. Ot is only a step ahead of Chrysler, in that GM is wholly owned, not a subsidiary.

And all, is going down in flames against Toyota.

 

[dgl24087]

Ford and GM are also involved in a cooperative venture with automatic transmissions. The 5 & 6 speed AT's, first in the Ford products, following in the GM's now, are a result of this venture. Excluded are the Allison, of course, and the Ford TorqShift transmissions.

 

[sandman2234]

Everytime somebody mentions Dodge's new motor, "the hemi", I smile.
It ain't a new motor, it is just an advertising gimick for the hemispirical shape of a combustion chamber. That part of it might make the gas burn a little different, but has nothing to do with how long the engine is going to last under rough conditions.
I have never had a motor NOT going close to 200,000 miles, but a good friend is nursing a gas "HEMI", trying to keep the rods inside till he can find either a replacement motor or the funds to buy another truck. His odometer read 130,000 last time I looked, and he never hauls anything in it. He does have a lead foot, but I figured the tranny would give out first under those conditions.
David from jax

 

[RobertN]

Everytime somebody mentions Dodge's new motor, "the hemi", I smile.
It ain't a new motor, it is just an advertising gimick for the hemispirical shape of a combustion chamber. That part of it might make the gas burn a little different, but has nothing to do with how long the engine is going to last under rough conditions.
I have never had a motor NOT going close to 200,000 miles, but a good friend is nursing a gas "HEMI", trying to keep the rods inside till he can find either a replacement motor or the funds to buy another truck. His odometer read 130,000 last time I looked, and he never hauls anything in it. He does have a lead foot, but I figured the tranny would give out first under those conditions.
David from jax

The current Hemi is a new generation motor. The "Hemi" head itself is not new; it goes back decades. And, it is not unique now. The new "Hemi" certianly is not like the old Hemi-426, in power or production. The original Hemi was made in relatively low numbers, in limited production version of cars. The new one is just another mass production motor.

I've seen both sides. My last truck was an F250. That things was in excellent shape when I sold it at a little over 225k miles. The 351 ran like a top, didn't smoke, use oil etc. Knew people with similar trucks; worn out and broken by 125k miles. Or, my Grandparents buying a new Cougar some years back; Ford/Mercury never could fix all the problems with that car.

Keeping the rods in that hemi must be like Triton engines trying to Keep spark plugs in the head?

All the manufacturers have some hickups. Unfortunately, stories of these issues in Big-3 vehicles is what is giving Toyota the lead in the US.

 

[RobS]

The specific products have little impact in such large merger/acquisition discussions. It's all about corporate assetts. Two things make the Chrysler portion of DC attractive: The Jeep name and the established dealer network. GM could definitely benefit from the Jeep name and someone like Hyundai could take advantage of the dealer network.