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   / Global Warming? #3,023  
Kind of a chicken and egg problem then. If you cannot stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

This simply proves my earlier point. Of course, none of us is half as clever as you, so you obviously win.
 
   / Global Warming? #3,024  
LoL...! C'mon you really believe that spiel?

The guy comes across as nothing but a "salesman"....as much time as he spends logged on/blathering here and searching the web for anything that supports his misguided opinions...a doctor? you've got to be kidding...:laughing:...I doubt he has more than an associates degree from a community college...!

he lost all credibility here years ago...and I would guess that his only real affiliation with the world of medicine is as a pharmaceutical salesman...

You know what they say...walks like a salesman, talks like a salesman...it's a salesman...

Or as too many do, withyou leading the pack, make posts that have zilch to do with GW and consist of nothing but ad hominems.

Do you _have_ anything other then insults to contribute to the subject?

Harry K
 
   / Global Warming? #3,025  
TCJatko said:
This simply proves my earlier point. Of course, none of us is half as clever as you, so you obviously win.

Nah, just pickup basketball rules. No blood, no foul. Those with delicate sensibilities don't generally bother to participate. The rest hopefully practice some judgment but give as good as they get.
 
   / Global Warming? #3,026  
Now that's not man made, There you go,........ it Just goes to show the earth will do what it wants to do Man or no Man , we just have to adjust and live with it.

Oil and gas it's as natural on this earth as water. We should use more of it, just figure out a way to make it burn cleaner. Not use less of it. It's there for our survival. Where would we be if oil and gas was not on this planet? Think about that, everything is made from oil everything. and the left demonizes it. I wouldn't be surprised if someday we figure green energy turns out to be not very feasible and we turn to oil big time, because we made it cleaner. Maybe that's what the scientist should be spending there time on. Making our most valuable resources oil and gas cleaner. Instead of finding ways not to use it.

You do realize that oil and gas are a finite resource? Once it is gone it is gone forever. No, we haven't found all of it yet but we will eventually.

Harry K
 
   / Global Warming? #3,027  
Do you _have_ anything other then insults to contribute to the subject?

IMO...the only real "contributions" in this entire thread are from those that have offered their own personal weather (climate change) observations...

The rest of the entire thread is nothing but rhetoric from those that either drink the al gore kool-aid or those that maintain an open mind and don't...

IMO...ANY post that does not consist of personal weather observations is fair game.

There is absolutely nothing that can be gained from the blathering harangues posted by said "kool-aid" drinkers...regardless of how much they wish it were so...Nothing will change this unless this thread is still active sometime in the next century when by then there may be enough data to make anything other than surmised suppositions and conjecture formed theories and opinions.
 
   / Global Warming? #3,028  
turnkey4099 said:
You do realize that oil and gas are a finite resource? Once it is gone it is gone forever. No, we haven't found all of it yet but we will eventually.

Harry K

Define finite. I once sat through a brief from an foreign official explaining how their reserves alone could run the world for 100 years. And if you continued the rate of new finds/technology it was estimated at 500 years. How much is bluster is hard to say.
And there's this.
http://rense.com/general63/refil.htm
Looks like old wells are filling back up. Could be from other caches or deeper pockets. But it is cheaper to keep the rig in the same place then drill a new hole. Plus less paperwork since no one is getting drilling permits on federal lands.
Just some more info for all.
 
   / Global Warming? #3,029  
You do realize that oil and gas are a finite resource? Once it is gone it is gone forever. No, we haven't found all of it yet but we will eventually.

Harry K
If finite is the case, it's still a long time from now. All I see is there is more and more showing up every day. I don't like the idea that energy has to be so expensive before new technology is developed. Flood the earth with oil and bring gas prices down at the pumps to $1.00 a gallon or less. That would put more money in people's pockets and the economy than anything else. How much could food prices come down if diesel was 80 cents a gallon. $1375.00 on heating oil for the season instead of $5500.00. That's real money. How many homes, businesses, schools, and governments could save just on heating fuel alone.
Everything will be booming. Then pay down the debt, fund research for new technology, get the space program back up and running, etc. etc. Use oil to do it. Use oil to save the pensions, use oil to repair roads and bridges, and use oil to make new ball fields etc. etc. Use oil to make itself cleaner.

I could see every house in the future having its own safe power plant or something, just like now we have water heaters and furnaces. You have this little box in the corner that runs everything. No more power lines. You need money to do this. Use oil to develop it. Not oil to run it.

But you can't do all this if no one has any money. No one has any extra spending money - from families and friends, to cities and towns, to the federal government. FREE THE OIL. Use the natural resource of the world to save the world.
But only for ten years. After ten years oil prices have to go back up, so it gives us ten years with lots of money to figure it out.

Not purposely raise the cost of energy, drain any extra money people have, make them live with less for something we may not even have any say in the outcome. Trying to develop new ideas without any money is the hard way to do it. Get the economy booming first, and use cheap energy to get there. We need another industrial revolution - not go back to the 17th century before oil. Use oil to get us back in the black and then to the green. We need an OIL revolution. I know you guys will chop this up with many reason why it can't happen and shouldn't . If I were smarter like you guys I probably would not have written it. Spending $20.00 a week on gas instead of $100.00 (that is just one person) a week would go a long way for everyone. What does the bankrupt state of California spend on fuel every year? What does the US government spend? Everyone will benefit all the way around. Just seems to me oil is the best way out of this mess right now. Then figure out how to get rid of it. Probably could do it in less than ten years.
 
   / Global Warming? #3,030  
WaxMan said:
If finite is the case, it's still a long time from now. All I see is there is more and more showing up every day. I don't like the idea that energy has to be so expensive before new technology is developed. Flood the earth with oil and bring gas prices down at the pumps to $1.00 a gallon or less. That would put more money in people's pockets and the economy than anything else. How much could food prices come down if diesel was 80 cents a gallon. $1375.00 on heating oil for the season instead of $5500.00. That's real money. How many homes, businesses, schools, and governments could save just on heating fuel alone.
Everything will be booming. Then pay down the debt, fund research for new technology, get the space program back up and running, etc. etc. Use oil to do it. Use oil to save the pensions, use oil to repair roads and bridges, and use oil to make new ball fields etc. etc. Use oil to make itself cleaner.

I could see every house in the future having its own safe power plant or something, just like now we have water heaters and furnaces. You have this little box in the corner that runs everything. No more power lines. You need money to do this. Use oil to develop it. Not oil to run it.

But you can't do all this if no one has any money. No one has any extra spending money - from families and friends, to cities and towns, to the federal government. FREE THE OIL. Use the natural resource of the world to save the world.
But only for ten years. After ten years oil prices have to go back up, so it gives us ten years with lots of money to figure it out.

Not purposely raise the cost of energy, drain any extra money people have, make them live with less for something we may not even have any say in the outcome. Trying to develop new ideas without any money is the hard way to do it. Get the economy booming first, and use cheap energy to get there. We need another industrial revolution - not go back to the 17th century before oil. Use oil to get us back in the black and then to the green. We need an OIL revolution. I know you guys will chop this up with many reason why it can't happen and shouldn't . If I were smarter like you guys I probably would not have written it. Spending $20.00 a week on gas instead of $100.00 (that is just one person) a week would go a long way for everyone. What does the bankrupt state of California spend on fuel every year? What does the US government spend? Everyone will benefit all the way around. Just seems to me oil is the best way out of this mess right now. Then figure out how to get rid of it. Probably could do it in less than ten years.

You cannot be very intelligent...
Because you make way too much sense.
And you have no chance in politics, since you seem to truly understand mathematics.

I think you will be unwelcome in anarchist circles, or the communist party. You will never get a job handing out welfare checks or food stamps, because your solutions create jobs and prosperity.

Your blind obsession with common sense capitalism, doesn't quite fit the new world order.

You need to go back and get a real education, and stop writing your useless drivel here. What advantage could there possibly be in helping the USA remain a free, prosperous, generous nation?

:D
 
   / Global Warming? #3,031  
I think the oil market is manipulated to keep the prices up. Does not matter how much oil hits the market- someone will find a way to run the price up- close a refinery for cleaning, buy a supertanker of oil and let iy sit until the price is up, etc. . Oil people are addicted to our dollars- they just can't get enough!
 
   / Global Warming? #3,032  
tcreeley said:
I think the oil market is manipulated to keep the prices up. Does not matter how much oil hits the market- someone will find a way to run the price up- close a refinery for cleaning, buy a supertanker of oil and let iy sit until the price is up, etc. . Oil people are addicted to our dollars- they just can't get enough!

It is true that prices at this level make more oil available. At $10-$20 a barrel, some techniques for oil collection were not economical. So, some of the higher price is for the new technological methods.

You are pointing out an example of "the tragedy of the commons" Tragedy of the commons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia which is an important conundrum in economic/political theory. Yes, one way to enforce compliance with "common good" goals is to for example put a $5/gallon tax on gas which would give us European prices and force everyone except Mitt Romney's wife to drive smaller cars. I don't deny that sort of maneuvering might come to pass here as it has overseas if the political climate changes. So long as we don't just piss the extra revenue away, that might both cut carbon and the deficit although it would clearly penalize suburban and rural families far more than those who live where public transport or smaller cars are already the norm.

So I agree money is not irrelevant. However, what you are saying, smarty pants, is that money trumps science and reality. You'd rather remain dumb on the climate science because you fear where it may lead. You would rather protect your conservative financial views than understand what science tells us about the climate because you fear the consequences of the science driven public policy. That's kinda bass ackards don't you think? Kinda like the Pope in Galileo's time.

I'd say it is most important to get the science right and then debate how best to proceed.


As Island Tractor posted above, it does not matter what oil costs, anyway. The followers/believers of the Climate Change movement fully intend to TAX oil, coal, electricity, water, food... beyond the ability to be used productively.

"Preservation is progress" is a sign I saw on route 1 today... somewhere between Wiscasset and Rockland. Preserving the earth, at the expense of humanity...is progressive. It matters not how much of the human race falls in the process. Over population of the earth is another concern to the progressive, evolutionary, Climate Change movement. When we exhale CO2, we "pollute". When we flatulate (I don't think conservatives do this, it must be a leftist pollutant, IMO) methane, we pollute.

Well... all those european ideas are pure economical genius...right? I mean, look how great it's working for them...


Happy Thanksgiving :drink:

Between me and you (you and I...for the literary critics), I thanked God today... for a lot. You're :welcome: to do the same. :anyone:
 
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   / Global Warming? #3,033  
Oil is a finite resource, I learned in 1964, from a textbook written in 1960, that we had 14 years of oil left in the world! What have we been using since 1974? :laughing:
 
   / Global Warming? #3,034  
Oil is a finite resource, I learned in 1964, from a textbook written in 1960, that we had 14 years of oil left in the world! What have we been using since 1974? :laughing:

Google search: "where does oil come from"

The Mysterious Origin and Supply of Oil | LiveScience

Where does oil really come from?
"It remains, however, only an article of faith that oil and natural gas are biological in origin; scientific proof is absent."



Progressive ponderment... "hmmm... unlimited oil... unlimited TAX?"
 
   / Global Warming? #3,035  
You do realize that oil and gas are a finite resource? Once it is gone it is gone forever. No, we haven't found all of it yet but we will eventually.

Harry K

It is not only that. There is also cheap oil and expensive oil. Cheap oil is alredy gone. Now we are in expensive oil. I would be very surprised if it lasts next 30 years. Then we will be in very expensive oil and gas for that matter. Many off shore rigs drill for oil or gas in depths of 3000 ft or more. That is very expensive and difficult task. Why they are doing it? Because the easy to get (cheap) oil is gone. How do I know? I do contract work there.
 
   / Global Warming? #3,037  
What is your life expectancy today compared to your ancestors say 100 years ago? Only in poor countries where they don't have cheap abundant energy is it a dirty, polluted disease infested environment.

The air we breathe, the water we drink and the food we eat are orders of magnitude better today than at any time in human history; all due to what some call "polluting the planet".
Basic sanitation has had the most to do with the increase of life expectancy not polluting the planet.
 
   / Global Warming? #3,039  
EPA Formally Declares CO2 a Dangerous Pollutant. Liberal ignorant Moronic Koolaid drinkers will soon pass a law to forbid creatures and humans to EXHALE.
There is no credible evidence that carbon dioxide emissions cause global warming. The costs to regulate emissions will be staggering, and all for nought. There will be no demonstrable benefit. All pain and no gain.
I think if we eliminate Liberals we can save the planet much quicker

LIBERALISM is a disease in which you feel an uncontrollable urge to STEAL what someone has worked for and give it to someone who WON'T WORK!
 
   / Global Warming? #3,040  
I was really interested in one of those stoves, but couldn't afford one and the shipping. They sure look nice though and i bet you get good constant heat from it.

I do like it. I got mine on Craig's List for $800 and I was pretty happy with that. My best friend bought a Vermont Castings stove the week before for $800 too. So we were both pretty excited. I get decent use out of mine, but my buddy puts me to shame. I bet he has saved twice as much as me.
 
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