Global Warming?

toppop52 · Nov 21, 2012

IslandTractor said:
Your quaint notion of how data is collected in big experiments shows your last contact with science was probably in the third grade. Data of the type used in these weather studies is collected by computers and there are almost always sophisticated systems to audit data in major studies. Scientific fraud does occur but is usually detected by collaborators or competitors. That is one reason that virtually all experiments or observations are repeated in separate laboratories. Your notion that anyone would fudge data to keep their job tells us more about you than science. You had better hope drug companies are watched closely enough by the FDA to make such data fudging near impossible (they are).

You are proving my point nicely. A basic lack of understanding of the scientific method and process is a characteristic of the politically motivated denier community.

Island Tractor, I thought you were a doctor, how does that qualify you as a climate scientist? My wife is a physician and she never gets consulted on climate change.

toppop52 · Nov 21, 2012

There have been fewer strong hurricanes in the very time frame that AGW "experts" predicted they would multiply exponentially. Is it warming? Maybe, it was for about 20-25 years, the last several seem to have leveled a bit. Before that it cooled for 30 years or so, remember all the climate "experts" yelling ice age to the tops of their lungs? And how man was going to have to change his ways or we were all going to be ice pops.
The earth cools, the earth warms, been going on for 3-4 billion years.

TCJatko · Nov 21, 2012

I notice that Island Tractor has run out of rational arguments and resorts to the old liberal standby, the ad hominem attack. This does little to further the discussion or his position.

tcreeley · Nov 21, 2012

EE_Bota said:
You got off light. I only wrote "heat is power?" And someone even defended you, which was a kindness to you that you are now proving you did not deserve. I would not have even said anything if you were not talking down to the rest of us about physics, which is what you are repeating above. I don't really care that much whether you understand physics. I only care when you insult the rest of us about it.

But you are still wrong. Can you find your error, or will you substitute insult for even a cursory look at a physics text? If you have no physics texts, search through Google until you encounter Joule and Watt.

Answer these questions (to yourself):
What is an appropriate unit of heat in the SI system? (slight hint:Joule)
What is an appropriate unit of power in the SI system? (slight hint: Watt)
Do those units equal each other? (Slight hint: NO!)

Bonus questions:
What is the SI unit of energy (slight hint: Joule)
Can it be said that heat is energy? (Hint:Yes)
Can it be said that energy is power? (Hint: NO!)
Can you ignore these things and insult people about their understanding of physics anyway? (Your behavior yields the result:Apparently!)

Sounds like a 9th grade physical science quiz.

IslandTractor · Nov 21, 2012

toppop52 said:
Island Tractor, I thought you were a doctor, how does that qualify you as a climate scientist? My wife is a physician and she never gets consulted on climate change.

I've never claimed to be a climate scientist. But I did stay in a Holiday Inn last night. I've also spent years in academic research labs doing biology. Also spent time doing epidemiology. Different details but similar concepts of experimental design, analysis and more generally the scientific method. Quite different from straight clinical medicine.

IslandTractor · Nov 21, 2012

TCJatko said:
I notice that Island Tractor has run out of rational arguments and resorts to the old liberal standby, the ad hominem attack. This does little to further the discussion or his position.

Old liberal standby??? My as s. Reread a few of Houston's, /pine's and Cat's posts.

houstonscott · Nov 21, 2012

A public health guy, that explains all.

HS

Egon · Nov 21, 2012

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM0hczFNDZI&feature=relmfu

Here are some folk amusing themselves and getting things warmed up.:thumbsup:

TCJatko · Nov 21, 2012

IslandTractor said:
Old liberal standby??? My as s. Reread a few of Houston's, /pine's and Cat's posts.

They are merely responding to your condescending, superior attitude.

tcreeley · Nov 21, 2012

I must have overloaded the collective gop mind with charts and sources re GW- - easier for them to play the rank card than entertain a new idea!
Ah well...time to move on.

mistermcgoo · Nov 21, 2012

tcreeley said:
Some interesting charts from Global Climate Change Indicators show the Evidence - Climate Change - AccuWeather.com

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Of course it is all lies and scheming GW stuff- somehow the dollars will do a rainbow arc from your pocket to mine- you must be a leprechaun denier!
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Explaining the Hurricane and Climate change Link
September 07, 2012; 7:26 PM
"And because of that, as the temperature gets warmer and warmer, ironically it becomes more difficult to start a hurricane, even though once you start a hurricane, potentially it can become more intense, so you have these two contradictory things going on."
Explaining the Hurricane and Climate change Link - Climate Change - AccuWeather.com
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re Tornadoes:
"2. Significant severe weather (tornadoes and hail storms) depend more on wind shear (change in direction of strong winds with height) rather than a combination of heat and high humidity. Shear also determines the intensity of hail and tornadoes in the U.S. and Europe. Big tornado years have hail storms as the dominant secondary severe weather events (as opposed to just damaging winds).
3. Climate models projecting a future warmer world with C02 doubled show an increase in heat and humidity, but a decrease in shear (a decrease in equator to pole gradient).
4. These high heat/humidity & low shear environments result in little overall change in severe thunderstorms. However, there may be a slight decrease in tornadoes due to less shear and an increase in significant thunderstorm straight-line wind events due to an increase in heat and humidity."
Climate Change and Severe Thunderstorms - Climate Change - AccuWeather.com
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If the charts are too small after you click on them for PC- hold ctrl key down as you push the shift key and + key
-for mackbook- instead of the ctrl key use the command key

One thing at a time. First look at the ocean heat content graph. Bar charts tend to muddle the data whereby certain behavior of it go unnoticed, so please view the attached OHC as is reported from the tropics region. Note the step change from 2002 to 2003. This was the transition from XBT (expendable bathythermograph) to the ARGO float system; the data was spliced. This is a known issue and has never been fully resolved. Neither SST or TLT show this unphysical step change. Please note it is in this region where AGW "theory" states should be warming rapidly; the ubiquitous missing "hot spot" resulting from the so-called enhanced greenhouse effect which is not observed. Note since 2003 when ARGO was in place OHC in the upper 700m has not increased in the tropics and is in fact decreasing. Also note even in your graph global OHC has leveled out for 9 years. There is a good bit of history since 2006 concerning how OHC is measured and it is not based solely on empirical data.

UAH lower tropical troposphere through Sept 2012

SST in the tropics through Oct 2012

Once you can explain why AGW isn't occurring as advertised in the tropics where it should be ramping up, we can move on to another in your list.

Data sources here Climate Explorer: Starting point

IslandTractor · Nov 21, 2012

houstonscott said:
A public health guy, that explains all.

HS

So CDC and state health departments are also untrustworthy pinkos too eh? Keep it up. You are painting yourself into a John Birch Society loving, black helicopter fearing, corner along with the rest of the lunatic fringe.

Who provided your healthcare while you were serving in the USCG? Pinko USPHS docs I'd imagine. At least in the bigger ports. I spent three months with those pinkos in HNL taking care of coasties.

But, to set the record straight, not all epidemiologists work in public health. Industry and hospitals use them too.

IslandTractor · Nov 21, 2012

TCJatko said:
They are merely responding to your condescending, superior attitude.

Kind of a chicken and egg problem then. If you cannot stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

/pine · Nov 21, 2012

toppop52 said:
Island Tractor, I thought you were a doctor, how does that qualify you as a climate scientist? My wife is a physician and she never gets consulted on climate change.

LoL...! C'mon you really believe that spiel?

The guy comes across as nothing but a "salesman"....as much time as he spends logged on/blathering here and searching the web for anything that supports his misguided opinions...a doctor? you've got to be kidding...:laughing:...I doubt he has more than an associates degree from a community college...!

he lost all credibility here years ago...and I would guess that his only real affiliation with the world of medicine is as a pharmaceutical salesman...

You know what they say...walks like a salesman, talks like a salesman...it's a salesman...

mistermcgoo · Nov 21, 2012

Gator6x4 said:
I think you had better get out more. Caves start to smell musty after a while. The backward countries you name have for years had features and advantages the US is only now attempting to emulate. High speed rail, 4g phone service for a reasonable price, longer life expectancy, better medical (Regardless of what some politician says) and the list is long.

Know where the fininacial captial of the world is? China, try out Hong Kong they even have one of those good ole American Captialist staples, DISNEYLAND.

And if you want to see bastions of poverty, pollution and poor living conditions, visit the backwoods of Louisiana and Mississippi.

I for one will accept what scientific studies have revealed over that of an opinion rendered from a soapbox by someone lacking scientific credentials or accreditation.

What credentials do you have to accept any scientific study as fact? Are you incapable of comparing predictions with reality? I bought into the AGW meme for many years until I actually checked the data for myself.

China's economy is phony. May I suggest to Google 'china ghost cities'. The country is still vastly poor compared to the U.S., but another four years of Baracka Claus and QE2Infinity should level the playing field however, you know, spread the wealth around. BTW, why is China buying up gold?

If I were to post the scientific studies you claim to relish it may not be what you expect, but first I'd like to see what you base your belief system on, after all science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts as Feynman used to say.

WaxMan · Nov 21, 2012

Egon said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM0hczFNDZI&feature=relmfu

Here are some folk amusing themselves and getting things warmed up.:thumbsup:

Now that's not man made, There you go,........ it Just goes to show the earth will do what it wants to do Man or no Man , we just have to adjust and live with it.

Oil and gas it's as natural on this earth as water. We should use more of it, just figure out a way to make it burn cleaner. Not use less of it. It's there for our survival. Where would we be if oil and gas was not on this planet? Think about that, everything is made from oil everything. and the left demonizes it. I wouldn't be surprised if someday we figure green energy turns out to be not very feasible and we turn to oil big time, because we made it cleaner. Maybe that's what the scientist should be spending there time on. Making our most valuable resources oil and gas cleaner. Instead of finding ways not to use it.

RobertBrown · Nov 21, 2012

mistermcgoo said:
What credentials do you have to accept any scientific study as fact? Are you incapable of comparing predictions with reality? I bought into the AGW meme for many years until I actually checked the data for myself.

China's economy is phony. May I suggest to Google 'china ghost cities'. The country is still vastly poor compared to the U.S., but another four years of Baracka Claus and QE2Infinity should level the playing field however, you know, spread the wealth around. BTW, why is China buying up gold?

If I were to post the scientific studies you claim to relish it may not be what you expect, but first I'd like to see what you base your belief system on, after all science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts as Feynman used to say.

Pardon the interruption...my apologies.
But who is this "Feynman"?

mistermcgoo · Nov 21, 2012

RobertBrown said:
Pardon the interruption...my apologies.
But who is this "Feynman"?

Below is Feynman lecturing his students on the scientific method. Unfortunately, we live in a post-normal world in the realm of AGW climate science. Their hypothesis fails, no problem, just move the goal posts and make it up as they go along; AGW is unfalsifiable, or is it?