Global Warming?

[EE_Bota]

When you have a person in the position of "TEACHER" or someone else employed by the State, County, City or School District standing in front of a group of students or others and leading the group in prayer, you have State Sponsored Religion.

If someone is arguing the other side, I have missed it.

 

[toppop52]

When you have a person in the position of "TEACHER" or someone else employed by the State, County, City or School District standing in front of a group of students or others and leading the group in prayer, you have State Sponsored Religion.

No, you have an American citizen exercising their constitutional rights. Where did you go to school? I went to school in NC in the 50's, 60's and early 1970. I never, ever heard of anyone being forced to lead a prayer in school with threat of punishment, unless maybe it was a religious school. We had morning prayer, Pledge of Allegiance and even sang the National Anthem sometimes. In elementary school there were no non Christians but in Jr High and high school it was made clear that anyone not wishing to participate could go to the library until first period started. We had a few Jewish kids and one Muslim in my classes, there were others in the school. Out of them all, I think I remember 2-3 over the course of the year going to library and David said it was so he could do his homework he didn't do the night before. They all had a thing called 'common sense', they understood that being exposed to another religion was a learning thing and in no way corrupted their beliefs. By the way, they were offered the chance to perform their own prayers, meditations, whatever. A few did and we sat with them and none of us was offended or converted. We all found it interesting.
What you really want isn't freedom, it's to remove religion from everyone. Good luck!

 

[newbury]

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What you really want isn't freedom, it's to remove religion from everyone. Good luck!

How about just removing religion from this thread?

 

[WaxMan]

"Man adapts to the Earth, Earth does not adapt to man" WaxMan

 

[Gator6x4]

No, you have an American citizen exercising their constitutional rights. What you really want isn't freedom, it's to remove religion from everyone. Good luck!

When you have a teacher, employed by and paid by a governmental entity standing in front of a class room of students who are required by law to be there and articulating a partisan Christian prayer I think that is what the Supreme Court ruled as unconstitutional and not freedom of speech.

I am glad you were able to attend a school where religious discussion was not a school ground slug fest and religious participation was not mandatory.

Bible belts had some interesting school years especially in the nineteen fifties when God was being added to US currency and to the Pledge of Allegiance. A majority of people do not seem to realize that if you went to school in the fifties you said a different Pledge of Allegiance than schoold children say today. Money spent by school children in the fifties was also different than that spent today.

I personally think anyone and everyone should pray too and worship whatever God they so choose. I also believe no one has a right, constitutional or otherwise to subject others to their personal religious dogma either orally or in written text.

How about just removing religion from this thread?

I agree one hundred percent.

 

[Cat_Driver]

Bwhahahah Obama says he believes in CLIMATE CHANGE, bwhahahahahahahaha. REALLY what a Moron. Like saying he believes women have babies. BWHAHAHAHAH

Scientist shoots holes in Obama’s recent statements on climate change | TheBlaze.com

Have another sip of Koolaid boys & Girls, SUCKERS. Gimmies TAXES and the world will be saved. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[Cat_Driver]

Santa is real, and you likely voted for him.

Now that CHIT is funny. FREE CELL PHONES or every voter, and a chicken in every pot.

Original Obamaphone Lady: Obama Voter Says Vote for Obama because he gives a free Phone - YouTube

 

[tcreeley]

Might that not just because of more people=more bird feeders=more and different bird survival rates??

The same is mirrored in species breeding here during the summer- that were unheard of 50 years ago. Turkey vulture is ow a regular inhabitant in Maine- @9 years ago There were not any. Towhees are working their way up. It goes on. There are more over wintering robins. Feeders can help a bird survive- but not all birds are seen at feeder areas during the winters. The feeders could not make the difference when 25 years ago -25 below for a week at a time was the norm, or a month where it never went above 0. Cardinals don't survive those temps. The local species do.
I am always impressed by the tree sparrows and snow buntings that head down from further north to winter in our area. Our cold temps are balmy to them.
Likewise- the cool loving local species are shifting north to breed during the summer- or heading into cooler elevations. There has been a major shift in habitat as the climate heats across the country.
Check out growing zones in Gurneys/Henry Fields planting catalogs today- compared to what they were 15 years ago.
Everything has shifted up a zone. Our zone 3-4 has become zone 4-5.

 

[tcreeley]

No, you have an American citizen exercising their constitutional rights. Where did you go to school? I went to school in NC in the 50's, 60's and early 1970. I never, ever heard of anyone being forced to lead a prayer in school with threat of punishment, unless maybe it was a religious school. We had morning prayer, Pledge of Allegiance and even sang the National Anthem sometimes. In elementary school there were no non Christians but in Jr High and high school it was made clear that anyone not wishing to participate could go to the library until first period started. We had a few Jewish kids and one Muslim in my classes, there were others in the school. Out of them all, I think I remember 2-3 over the course of the year going to library and David said it was so he could do his homework he didn't do the night before. They all had a thing called 'common sense', they understood that being exposed to another religion was a learning thing and in no way corrupted their beliefs. By the way, they were offered the chance to perform their own prayers, meditations, whatever. A few did and we sat with them and none of us was offended or converted. We all found it interesting.
What you really want isn't freedom, it's to remove religion from everyone. Good luck!

I remember being stuck at my desk in the 6th grade while my teacher recited the lords prayer. I hated it. I hadn't been to church- it was like being stuck in a room full of crazies. I was glad when school prayer was struck down. That was freedom- freedom from listening to the deluded- and being forced to keep your head bowed. Hated every minute of it.

 

[Gator6x4]

Bwhahahah Obama says he believes in CLIMATE CHANGE, bwhahahahahahahaha. REALLY what a Moron. Like saying he believes women have babies. BWHAHAHAHAH

Scientist shoots holes in Obamaç—´ recent statements on climate change | TheBlaze.com

Have another sip of Koolaid boys & Girls, SUCKERS. Gimmies TAXES and the world will be saved. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

To call Glen Beck a scientist is more opposite than calling a submarine a Mars Lander. The Blaze is a news and opinion website and television network owned by American media personality and former CNN Headline News and Fox News host Glenn Beck's Mercury Radio Arts. The fact of the matter is I and millions of others pay a higher tax rate than Wall Street Fat Cats. My tax rate is many time the nine percent paid by Mitt.


The FREE PHONE was a great sound byte. But it痴 deeply flawed. The 徹bama phone program being touting doesn稚 give out free phones to minorities. And it wasn稚 started by President Obama, it was started in 1996 and guess who the main crusader for free phones was. And this rumor isn稚 new.

As reported months ago, there is a law in place to help low-income customers have access to basic telephone service. Itç—´ divided into two programs: Link-Up America and Lifeline.

Link-Up assists consumers with the installation costs of phone service. The program pays up to $30 of the cost of installation and up to $200 in the form of a one year, interest-free loan for additional installation costs.

Lifeline provides discounts on basic monthly service at a primary residence for qualified telephone customers. These discounts can be up to $10.00 per month, or more for certain Native Americans. Generally, to qualify, your income must be at or below 135% of the federal poverty guidelines (these vary by location and size of family but for comparison, rings in at $22,350 for a family of four in the lower 48).

In some instances, coverage may include discounts for cell phone service instead of land lines at primary residences because realistically, cell phone service is less expensive in some areas than traditional service. Eligibility and type of program may vary from state to state and this is why there is a flurry of confusion about the program being a product of the Obama administration. In Florida, for example, cell phone service was added to the existing program in 2008, the year that Obama was elected to office. The conclusion from many folks was that it was a new federal program. It was not. It was an expansion of the existing program and implemented on a state by state basis.

The federal program wasn稚 started by President Obama. It dates back to 1996, as part of the Telecommunications Act of 1996. The Act did a number of things, including increasing internet access to doctors and patients in rural hospitals (for consults with specialists); subsidizing internet and phone coverage for schools and libraries and providing free or subsidized coverage for families who can稚 afford it so that they have links to emergency and government services. The Act was not taxpayer funded exactly. Taxpayers do pay for coverage but not via federal income taxes. Instead, the Act æ�œandated the creation of the universal service fund (USF) into which all telecommunications providers are required to contribute a percentage of their interstate and international end-user telecommunications revenues. So that little fee on your phone bill labeled USF? Thatç—´ what youæ±*e paying for.

As you can imagine, not every one supports this idea. And yes, there has been abuse you can read about efforts to curb abuse here (downloads as a pdf).

As a result, there is a bill in place to put an end to the practice. The bill, H.R. 3481, the Stop Taxpayer Funded Cell Phones Act of 2011, was introduced by Rep. Tim Griffin (R-AR) with three co-sponsors, Rep. Rodney Alexander (R-LA), Rep. Bill Posey (R-FL) and Rep. Dennis Ross (R-FL) on November 18, 2011. The bill now has 11 more co-sponsors, four of which joined this month. And since I know youæ±*e wondering: none of the co-sponsors are from Cleveland or from Ohio. All of them are Republican.

The purpose of the bill, as stated is: å…¸o prohibit universal service support of commercial mobile service through the Lifeline program.

The bill now sits in the House Committee on Energy and Commerce where it was referred to the Subcommittee on Communications and Technology last year. I predicted earlier this year that it would sit awhile and viral video or no, I suspect it will continue to sit. It provides for fun election banter but realistically, with Congress on recess, nothing is happening any time soon on any legislation, especially one as politically charged as this. In fact, Govtrack.us, which researches and follows legislation in Congress and the state legislatures, gives the bill a mere 2% chance of being made law.

The bottom line is that there is free phone assistance available to those who qualify but it is not an Obama administration program. Taxpayers do support the program but not through federal income taxes. And despite the screaming lady in the video, eligibility doesn稚 hinge on Social Security, disability or food stamps; there痴 no 澱uy one bag of chips, get an Obama phone free promotion. Just because a woman holding a sign gets a microphone in her face doesn稚 make her statements true.

 

[WaxMan]

Mitt paid 15% and that is the law on investment income, He already paid the tax once on it. What would you do pay more then is required? He also donated 4 million dollars to charity.

 

[IslandTractor]

Bwhahahah Obama says he believes in CLIMATE CHANGE, bwhahahahahahahaha. REALLY what a Moron. Like saying he believes women have babies. BWHAHAHAHAH

Scientist shoots holes in Obama痴 recent statements on climate change | TheBlaze.com

Have another sip of Koolaid boys & Girls, SUCKERS. Gimmies TAXES and the world will be saved. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Hey Cat, whatcha drinking tonight?

 

[IslandTractor]

Mitt paid 15% and that is the law on investment income, He already paid the tax once on it. What would you do pay more then is required? He also donated 4 million dollars to charity.

He donates most of his "charity" deduction to the Mormon church as part of the tithing process, that helps the Mormon Church but I'm not sure it helps any other charitable cause.

 

[WaxMan]

Liberals: 展ell, Giving to the Mormon Church Doesn稚 Count as Charitable Giving | RedState

Did a quick Google search he gave 1 million to the mormons and 3 million elsewhere. Where I don't care thats not the point.

 

[IslandTractor]

Liberals: 展ell, Giving to the Mormon Church Doesn稚 Count as Charitable Giving | RedState

Did a quick Google search he gave 1 million to the mormons and 3 million elsewhere. Where I don't care thats not the point.

where did you get your numbers?

Here is a piece from The Nation: Romney

' Here, via Forbes, is a breakdown of where the Tyler Charitable Foundation has given the more than $7 million it doled out since 2000:

1. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints: $4,781,000
2. Brigham Young University: $525,000
3. The United Way: $177,000
4. Right to Play: $111,500
5. The George W. Bush Library: $100,000
6. Operation Kids: $85,000
7. Center For Treatment of Pediatric MS: $75,000
8. Harvard Business School: $70,000
9. City Year: $65,000
10. Deseret International: $50,000
Weber State University: $50,000

As you can see, the majority of the funding goes to the Mormon church. '

 

[WaxMan]

where did you get your numbers?

Here is a piece from The Nation: Romney

' Here, via Forbes, is a breakdown of where the Tyler Charitable Foundation has given the more than $7 million it doled out since 2000:

1. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints: $4,781,000
2. Brigham Young University: $525,000
3. The United Way: $177,000
4. Right to Play: $111,500
5. The George W. Bush Library: $100,000
6. Operation Kids: $85,000
7. Center For Treatment of Pediatric MS: $75,000
8. Harvard Business School: $70,000
9. City Year: $65,000
10. Deseret International: $50,000
Weber State University: $50,000

As you can see, the majority of the funding goes to the Mormon church. '

Like I said I did a quick search and this is where I got it from
2011 Taxes: How Much Did Romney Donate To Anti-Gay Mormon Church? | The New Civil Rights Movement

But my point was he gave 4 million to charity That's the point, and you clarified it above Thank You. Looks likeI was wrong he gave much more.
It's his money he can give it to who ever he wants, Who are you to decide which "charity" is OK he gives his money to.

The point was the other poster gave the wrong information to make less of Romney and I was making my point that he really is a good guy. Mormon or not I don't care.
Global warming yes its warming has been for ever. We were under 3 miles of ice at one time in the northeast .

Taxing me and my family making the cost of everything go up is not going to stop it. Most of the people in the world do not have electricity what do they do? Tough luck for them I guess
People all high and mighty get off this Change the climate of the earth bull. We can't even predict the weather next Thursday, and you guys are going to STOP global warming ? change the climate? Time to end this thread. really
The earth has been changing from day one. Mankind will adapt. move on

 

[turnkey4099]

If I want to pray in school, out loud or otherwise, so long as it's not during class time, that says I can, it doesn't say I have to or that others should, just that I can.

quite true and it has been pointed out repeatedly every time someone mentions praying in school - it is not banned AS LONG AS YOU KNOW YOU CANNOT COOP AN AUDIANCE TO DO IT. That is why organized prayer or other religious trappings are banned in public facilities.

I see you still haven't answered the request. Define what you mean by "curtailing religion".

Harry K

 

[turnkey4099]

Why doesn't the teacher and any group of students wishing to do so have the same rights?

I suspect you are aware of hte US Constitution and the various Supreme Court rulings. You don't like it, get the Supremes to change the rulings.

Harry k

 

[turnkey4099]

YES!! and keep it out! Of course I just cannot stop myself from respoinding when one of the theists brings it in...again...and again...and again...

Harry K

 

[EE_Bota]

YES!! and keep it out! Of course I just cannot stop myself from respoinding when one of the theists brings it in...again...and again...and again...

Harry K

Pray for strength and more self-control!