Global Warming?

[Short Game]

Eliminate Sin??

I'm sorry. That reference is to a handbook that is only issued to prospective messiahs, as per:

 

[patrick_g]

Eliminate Sin??

Redefine Sin!:thumbsup:

Egon, please translate the post before yours (quoted) into English, or at least Canadian , I haven't a clue what he meant.

Oh, never mind I found the problem. I had my BS filters set too high and filtered out most of what he said.

Pat

 

[Short Game]

Now don't you bother your pretty little mind. I was attempting to discuss entropy with SPYDERLK and Egon made what could easily have been a valid inquiry, and I'll respect that. Even if it was just good clean fun, that passes muster as well.

 

[Short Game]

BTW, that book, Illusions, for many; it would be hard to get as much enjoyment as can be gotten from such a small book. I highly recommend it. Enjoy.

 

[IH3444]

I'm sorry. That reference is to a handbook that is only issued to prospective messiahs, as per:

WOW, A former girl friend gave me that book way back in the late 70's. I need to find it in my library and reread it.

Thanks Short Game! :thumbsup:

 

[Ken]

Renewable energy; the country used to run on it with no problems.

Draft animals!:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Windships:thumbsup:

Windmills for pumping, grinding etc.:thumbsup:

Waterwheels for grinding, sawing, carding runing the power shaft's in industry.:thumbsup:

Yup, we had renuable resources and made full use of them.:

And the byproducts were valuable to the agricultural industry.

Egon I agree with you if those who don't like oil. They should quit cold turkey. shut it off.

Don't like elec. go out and pull the main breaker.

Better be quick in purchasing ox cart and oxen.
Don't oil the axles the grease is a product of oil.

Think the gas prices to high. do your part quit driving the vehicle even better get a rights group to petition the shut down a oil pipeline toward the East Northern coast states.

Same for the power plants in that area. Nuke oil or gas they need customers to stay in business so every one who uses this product instead of complaining for some one else to do there part. First do yours.
ken

 

[Egon]

It ain't all that simple Ken.

 

[kenmac]

Global Warming ???. It must be All us A/C guys venting all the refrigerant into the Atmosphere And for all the Globil Warming nuts. Just wait till you have to have refrigerant added to your unit. The price of refrigerant has already started going out of sight !

 

[Ken]

It ain't all that simple Ken.

Egon are you not across the border Where men are stong and the women are pretty. And all have above adverage intelligence. I know it is more than what I typed but still think a person that's unhappy with his life style can make a change.
Some times if causes pain.
ken

 

[RandyBell]

The biggest thing to remember is that if they had windows in the weather centers they would be right alot more. Up here in Ohio if you don't like they weather just give it a little while, you can have rain in the morning, sunny in the afternoon and snow in the evening. You just have to roll with it. They say that the last Ice Age started with the planets aligning, 10,000 years ago, they are supposed to align again this year. I don't see any way to change it, so we will have to live with it until we adapt. Unless you want to wait for the government to help us out......

 

[powerpace]

We had one year outa the last five that we had apples due to no frost, that was last year. Before that we had apples every year.

Greenland was named that because it was mostly green when the Vikings settled there. England had a warmer climate when the Romans were there. They were able to grow the same type of wine grape they did in Italy. Later starting about 1000 during and after the "Little Ice Age" the same crops could not be grown.
The world is changing. Again.

The scare now is the sinking coastline. I was taught many years ago that the American Plate (Older land, East Coast) was sliding under the African Plate.
The Pacific Plate is sliding under the American Plate. This is raising the (Newer Land) West Coast. Tall mountains (Sierra's, Cascades Rocky Mountains) still rising on the West Coast and Appalachian Mountains getting smaller. The Plates meet creating tall mountains Rocky's and the Atlantic Ridge.
The world is spending money on something that has happened before and will happen again.
Climactic warming is not questioned by scientists. They disagree on the amount of human causation.
Two things I'm sure off. A warming climate is not as fatal to mankind as a ice age. The other sure thing; I will miss it by several hundred years.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

Styxs said it best...

Welcome to the grand illusion. :laughing:

 

[rsewill]

Two things I'm sure off. A warming climate is not as fatal to mankind as a ice age. The other sure thing; I will miss it by several hundred years.

Could happen in a decade or less.

 

[Egon]

Egon are you not across the border Where men are stong and the women are pretty. And all have above adverage intelligence. I know it is more than what I typed but still think a person that's unhappy with his life style can make a change.
Some times if causes pain.
ken

Not sure of that!
But I do know I'm short, pretty weak and ain't kept in the same Drawer as the Sharp Knives.:thumbsup:

Can't see well enough no more to tell if the girls be pretty

I kinda like indoor plumbing!:thumbsup:

 

[Short Game]

Through my late twenties I lived several years without electricity, built a cabin and raised goats, pigs, dogs, cats, chickens, ducks, rabbits, had a steer and a milk cow. I hunted, scrounged, and scraped, and still had to have jobs to support those habits. I burned kerosine for light and used a wood cook stove. I tried several small crops, none of which amounted to much. It takes some years to get logged over ground to become farmland. I finally gave up and got on the grid. Now I'm a little old and too enfeebled to go back to that. Maybe if I'd stuck with it, I could still be doing it.

I do know this: most all of us choose to be a little soft. Most all of us use more than is necessary, take a bigger share than we really need, and get used to it. The concept of normal slides to where we want it to be. What's believed is that everyone on earth could have as big a share of the world as ourselves, and if they don't, it's their fault. The truth is, this planet can't give everyone the same share most of us now take for granted.

Can we envision 7,000,000,000 tractors? Seven billion cars, ranch style houses, or any of the particular toys we are so taken with? Are we entitled to have more, just because our forebears got hold of a mostly virgin continent and leveraging that, established a trading and warring nation?

There is a price for what we have, and only a part of it is the drawing down of this planet's ability to support us. We can deny that we have fouled the air, waters and soils. We can pretend we can build and conquer our way out of a troubled future with the same techniques that created it. We can believe anything we want.

 

[DABSGT]

Cat driver you said it all. Could not have said it better my self.

 

[newbury]

As I sit here after another St. Patrick's day

I reflect on my past association with staunch people who KNEW what was CORRECT regardless of the facts.
We had Weapons of Mass Destruction.
There is no Global Warming.

Well we didn't find WMD, and now

Global warming is opening summer sea lanes through the ice, along the north-west passage sought by Martin Frobisher and the north-east one sought by Hugh Willoughby. Both have now been navigated葉he north-east (or northern route, as it is known to Russians) most recently in August by a Russian supertanker, assisted by two icebreakers,

Melting Arctic sea-ice and shipping routes: Northern exposure | The Economist.

The correct response to Bird's post (no question) (back in 2006)

Last year, it seemed that we almost had no winter; stayed warm and dry (drought conditions) all winter. Years like that will make you a believer in global warming, but then we have weather like the present; 81 degrees yesterday afternoon and 31 this morning. Just over 2" of rain since dark last night; the most rain I've seen from one spell in a long time, and I didn't empty my rain gauge because it's partially frozen.

Is "Yup" and "Live with it".

Note he was complaining about "No winter" in 2006.

We are human, we need to adapt and evolve. Just don't buy property that is now less than 10' above sea level.

 

[rsewill]

Yesterday International Falls, Minn. beat the daily temp record by 22 degrees. We've set record highs for about a week straight, sometimes by more than 10 degrees. Very peculiar.

 

[powerpace]

Through my late twenties I lived several years without electricity, built a cabin and raised goats, pigs, dogs, cats, chickens, ducks, rabbits, had a steer and a milk cow. I hunted, scrounged, and scraped, and still had to have jobs to support those habits. I burned kerosine for light and used a wood cook stove. I tried several small crops, none of which amounted to much. It takes some years to get logged over ground to become farmland. I finally gave up and got on the grid. Now I'm a little old and too enfeebled to go back to that. Maybe if I'd stuck with it, I could still be doing it.

I do know this: most all of us choose to be a little soft. Most all of us use more than is necessary, take a bigger share than we really need, and get used to it. The concept of normal slides to where we want it to be. What's believed is that everyone on earth could have as big a share of the world as ourselves, and if they don't, it's their fault. The truth is, this planet can't give everyone the same share most of us now take for granted.

Can we envision 7,000,000,000 tractors? Seven billion cars, ranch style houses, or any of the particular toys we are so taken with? Are we entitled to have more, just because our forebears got hold of a mostly virgin continent and leveraging that, established a trading and warring nation?

There is a price for what we have, and only a part of it is the drawing down of this planet's ability to support us. We can deny that we have fouled the air, waters and soils. We can pretend we can build and conquer our way out of a troubled future with the same techniques that created it. We can believe anything we want.

I like your style!

 

[Short Game]

I like your style!

Well, thanks. I didn't know what kind of fallout to expect from that post. I just figured there would be some. I'm not saying our situation is hopeless. I just can't see the way we'll get through it right now. My personal path will probably be to die off and leave it to a few survivors. Back when I went out into the brush, I wouldn't have imagined the world we are in today. I think if there are any solutions, some power players would use their powers to keep them down. No one fears change more than those holding the winning cards, or naming the game.