Global Warming?

[Egon]

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[Short Game]

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Yeah, I think that most of the time.

 

[Egon]

That's entropy!:thumbsup:

Always been confused by entropy. Always figured the greater the disorder the higher the simplicity??

But again my marks were not made on the scholastic side!:thumbsup:

 

[Johnp33]

I find it very interesting that the oil companies that hired all these guys to promote the anti Global warming threw the same lobbying group that did tobaco.
Now all of a sudden when the natural gas drillers are being slammed because of the people that are having the their water polluted. The oil and gas industries, wants people to just wait for the science to do its work and not judge the practice prematurely.

 

[newbury]

And southern New England, Maine, NS,PEI,Canada north to Greenland!
The gulfstream affects these places to a degree before it heads across the Atlantic- though less than Europe.

The last time I looked it up the "shutdown of the Gulfstream" was due to the effect of the Labrador current and the flow of coldwater from Greenland disupting it southeast of Greenland. I had not read of any "quick" changes in climate for parts west of where the shutdown occurs. So I think that the US and Canada would only be slightly directly affected.

Unlike if the West Antarctica Ice Sheet "suddenly" (in the course of a few years?) slides off the base rock, which rebounds, and the sea level around the world rises up to 21 feet, again over the course of a few years.

There is a good interactive link showing the effect of sea level rise:
Washington D.C. - Global Warming Sea Level Rise Map

So you can figure out where to buy property that's going to be waterfront!

 

[Tollster]

Now all of a sudden when the natural gas drillers are being slammed because of the people that are having the their water polluted. The oil and gas industries, wants people to just wait for the science to do its work and not judge the practice prematurely.

Here is why they want to wait for the scientific proof, as its written in Pennsylvania's new frac law, act 13, which makes Pennsylvania residents the test subjects without any legal recourse. Meanwhile,they continue to exploit the citizens, and the environment with their toxic brew.

"The law also prevents heath professionals from discussing medical impacts. On page 99, it requires oil and gas companies to tell medical professionals what chemicals are used in drilling fluids but only after they sign the statement of need and a confidentiality agreement. However those details the chemicals in drilling fluid and medical significance it states a page later, are secret and shall not be a public record.

I know exactly why that is in there, said Shields. That makes it extremely difficult to bring a civil suit if the information is locked away behind confidentiality agreements. A physician can't release information during discovery. They can't even tell another patient that they are dealing with the same thing. They can't go to a public health official and disclose it this lady has benzene in her blood, or methyl-whatever. He can't do it.


Here is a brief overview of the law from the people that have to live it on the recieving end.

I know many here do not like to hear the truth, no matter where it comes from!

Fracking Democracy: Why Pennsylvania's Act 13 May Be the Nation's Worst Corporate Giveaway | | AlterNet

 

[Tollster]

Is it still March?



Feels a lot like May around here, pretty certain we'll get a frost that will damage a lot of natural fruits, particularly the apple trees. Our last day in these parts for frost is around May 16, I see the weather man has 70 degree highs for the next week.

 

[SPYDERLK]

Oh ye of little faith.

Oh yeah, I'm the guy who started the thread: It's All Downhill From Here.

Actually, I believe that entropy might be the case in physical systems, when viewed apart from the whole. I mean, once the ethers spin up and form into strings, and these, on to quarks and such, there will be limits within each semi-independent system of motion, but the forces behind universal motions are not necessarily subject to entropy. In fact, I'd bet against it. As for the system known as, "planet earth," we in a heap of doo doo.

Whoa. ... Everything is subject to entropy. The only thing that conquers it for a time, within itself, is a healthy maturing living thing.
larry

 

[patrick_g]

Was human evolution caused by climate change?

Posted: 15 Mar 2012 12:25 PM PDT

Models of how animal and plant distributions are affected by climate change may also explain aspects of human evolution.

With climate change, US could face risk from Chagas disease

Posted: 15 Mar 2012 11:02 AM PDT

People in the US may be at higher risk for Chagas disease than previously understood. A new study finds that 38 percent of kissing bugs collected in Arizona and California contained human blood and that more than 50 percent of the bugs also carried the parasite that causes this life-threatening disease. This upends the view that US kissing bug species don't regularly feed on people and suggests that Chagas could spread, driven north by climate change.

Above from ScienceDaily,

Pat

 

[BobRip]

High is 85 today. I am glad there is no global warming. It would really be hot then.

 

[SPYDERLK]

Is it still March?



Feels a lot like May around here, pretty certain we'll get a frost that will damage a lot of natural fruits, particularly the apple trees. Our last day in these parts for frost is around May 16, I see the weather man has 70 degree highs for the next week.

Yeah, a normal frost for the time frame would mess up the fruit trees. Heck - a few more days of this and the zoysia grass will start to green up!
larry

 

[criz067]

Whoa. ... Everything is subject to entropy. The only thing that conquers it for a time, within itself, is a healthy maturing living thing.
larry

It is more like living things deal with it for a period of time until entropy eventually conquers them. Humans are only about 25% efficient because of entropy.

 

[Tollster]

Yeah, a normal frost for the time frame would mess up the fruit trees. Heck - a few more days of this and the zoysia grass will start to green up!
larry

We had one year outa the last five that we had apples due to no frost, that was last year. Before that we had apples every year.

 

[Short Game]

Whoa. ... Everything is subject to entropy. The only thing that conquers it for a time, within itself, is a healthy maturing living thing.
larry

You are going to have to allow me to have my view, mostly because you can't stop me from having it. You see, I was lucky. I had a learning disability.

Maybe every thing is subject, depending, that is, on how one defines, "thing." Being physical, and so limited, the illusion of the physical is a strong one, occupying our physical senses as it does. Only in an unconstrained consciousness, may we step, so to speak, beyond, or around, our physical limitations.

At any rate, as The Messiah's Handbook states:

"The original sin is to limit the Is. Don't."​

Just because we signed on for a tour of these entropically biased spaces, the trick may be to remain, to a degree, cognizant of what powers them up. It is infinitely mysterious. Finite reason falls short. Rational comes up short when there is a lazy-8 on either side of the ':'. Meanwhile, back on earth, the finite ratios are being denied.

 

[Egon]

Eliminate Sin??

Redefine Sin!:thumbsup:

 

[powerpace]

Rain today. Snow forecast for tomorrow. The weather hasn't changed. It's just in a different location.