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   / Global Warming? #3,061  
The amazing thing is that 12 years ago the republicans were all for climate change and their idea of carbon credits then the Koch brothers gave them a bunch of money, their opinion changed.
The same ad agency that was pedaling the tobaco industries BS is now in the climate change deniers business.

That's odd. Democrats have and are continually saying it is Republicans that have been blocking climate change legislation. Name the long list of Republicans the Koch brothers bought off; that should be interesting.
What is the "same ad agency"?

Barack Obama recently stated the earth has warmed the past 10 years even more than was predicted. Was he lying or just didn't know the facts?
 
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The amazing thing is that 12 years ago the republicans were all for climate change and their idea of carbon credits then the Koch brothers gave them a bunch of money, their opinion changed.

Johnp33: If your point is that some Republicans, left-leaning, big government, progressives are just as wrong as left-leaning, big government, progressive Democrats, then I agree!! Right on, Brother!!

I was in my dentist's office a while back and picked up a National Geographic Magazine. It contained an article about rainfall changes that caught my eye. (Article)It started out giving multiple examples of ancient civilizations across the world and across many millennia that were completely wiped out by drought. Then came this paragraph,

"The rainfall changes that devastated these early civilizations long predate industrialization; they were triggered by naturally occurring climate shifts whose causes remain uncertain. By contrast, climate change brought about by increasing greenhouse gas concentrations is our own doing. It, too, will influence precipitation patterns, in ways that, though not always easy to predict, could prove equally damaging."

Huh? You just gave me examples showing that natural climate shifts have caused extreme weather over long periods in Earth's past. Why, all of a sudden, must the latest changes be man-caused?

It also troubles me that AGW solutions so neatly fit the left's wealth redistribution agenda. Why is it that fixing too much CO2 in the air means taxing hard-working Americans and giving billions to (mostly) leftist third world countries?

Finally, I think it is interesting that although fully half of the people in the country apparently support Obama's leftist agenda, none of them are selling off their cars or TRACTORS or turning off their heat or voluntarily paying higher taxes. Thomas Jefferson said, "half a loaf is better than no bread". Heck, if the lefties started to walk the talk and things started to improve they might win some converts.

Of course, we'll never see that because AGW isn't about healing the planet, it is about the left gaining more power/control and ultimately destroying the American economy and global political stability along with it. They create or invent a crisis, and then trick the gullible into believing that they are the only solution. They start programs that never succeed yet never go away.

Read some of their books! Their agenda is laid out in black and white for all to see and has been around for decades yet there are so many, otherwise intelligent, people that go along with it. If big government is so good at saving us from ourselves then where are the results? Why is it that after decades of the so called "war on poverty" and other such programs, poverty and other afflictions are still as bad as ever?

Regardless if one believes that GW is man-caused or not, I don't see how any reasonable person can deny that it is being used by the left to further reduce the current fragile stability in the world and that is a bad thing.
 
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Oil is priced in dollars. As the dollar declines, so goes oil in the opposite direction. Once the world gets sick of financing our printing presses while watching their own currencies implode because of it, the dollar will cease to be the world's reserve currency and it is game over. Think oil/gasoline is expensive now?
 
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mistermcgoo said:
Oil is priced in dollars. As the dollar declines, so goes oil in the opposite direction. Once the world gets sick of financing our printing presses while watching their own currencies implode because of it, the dollar will cease to be the world's reserve currency and it is game over. Think oil/gasoline is expensive now?

Exactly! It's your dollar changing value not the oil. Lets not forget the 2 Bil people entering the industrial area across Asia. They want cars, modern homes, tractors, electricity, ect. And they are willing to out bid Americans on each tanker leaving the Gulf.
It's a projection of demand, illusion of supply, cost of business(regulation included) and value of your currency that gets you a buy the barrel price. Of course those are not in equal parts.
 
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I think the oil market is manipulated to keep the prices up. Does not matter how much oil hits the market- someone will find a way to run the price up- close a refinery for cleaning, buy a supertanker of oil and let iy sit until the price is up, etc. . Oil people are addicted to our dollars- they just can't get enough!

When the right questions anything, the right are called conspiracy theory chasers, or some facsimile.

When the left questions something... are they under the same label?

Because the above thought, sounds a lot like a conspiracy... theory.
 
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The amazing thing is that 12 years ago the republicans were all for climate change and their idea of carbon credits then the Koch brothers gave them a bunch of money, their opinion changed.
The same ad agency that was pedaling the tobaco industries BS is now in the climate change deniers business.

OH I GET IT...no w because both the Republinuts and Demonuts agree on Global weather changing ( from rain to snow, snow to wind, hot to cool ) THEN it must ABSOLUTELY be correct.

3000 post later no one can "splain" how scientists can take the exact same DATA and come up with two polar opposite conclusions. 1970's we were going to FREEZE to death 1990's We're going to burst into flames.

BUT HOLS THE PRESSES PEOPLE the Koch brothers and Al Gore have spoken so it must be true - OPEN UP YOUR WALLETS and give to the Church of Moronic Koolaide Drinkers.
 
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Exactly! It's your dollar changing value not the oil. Lets not forget the 2 Bil people entering the industrial area across Asia. They want cars, modern homes, tractors, electricity, ect. And they are willing to out bid Americans on each tanker leaving the Gulf.
It's a projection of demand, illusion of supply, cost of business(regulation included) and value of your currency that gets you a buy the barrel price. Of course those are not in equal parts.

It won't matter what the world price of oil is. Develop our own oil. And keep it here. Take us out of the world market of oil and the price will crash.
 
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Actually Bastardi is pointing out how politicized meteorology has become.

What makes you think Met O is to be trusted? Is it ok that data is manipulated for political purposes?

What relevance does the link to Met O have with respect to Bastardi's articles?
What makes you think Met O is to be trusted? Is it ok that data is manipulated for political purposes?
Did I say they could be trusted? It is what it is..... Bastardi used their graphs, look closely...
Who's data can you trust? I have none of my own except of course what is on my thermometer at the moment. I love that thing, one those purchases that keeps giving back. It has the transmitter outside and the atomic clock receiver inside, giving you the inside and out side temps to one tenth of a degree F or C. Just great!
Is it ok that data is manipulated for political purposes?
Not in my opinion......
 
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Cat_Driver said:
OH I GET IT...no w because both the Republinuts and Demonuts agree on Global weather changing ( from rain to snow, snow to wind, hot to cool ) THEN it must ABSOLUTELY be correct.

3000 post later no one can "splain" how scientists can take the exact same DATA and come up with two polar opposite conclusions. 1970's we were going to FREEZE to death 1990's We're going to burst into flames.

BUT HOLS THE PRESSES PEOPLE the Koch brothers and Al Gore have spoken so it must be true - OPEN UP YOUR WALLETS and give to the Church of Moronic Koolaide Drinkers.

Cat, you really need to share what it is you drink or smoke before posting. Must be good stuff.
 
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