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/ Global Warming? #2,141  
Its been a while since I checked in, just wondering if the earth is warming and what ya'll have concluded on the climate.

Nice days here in PA, recon I'll pick the rest of my peppers in the morn.

"Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig"
 
/ Global Warming? #2,142  
Ah, there is a twit her, his initials, I.T.

"Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2 "

6th Commandment - Thou shalt not kill.
I believe there is something about loving your neighbor too! Now how is it that we should kill those who do not believe as you do?

Loren

Using biblical passages in a scientific debate is senseless.


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/ Global Warming? #2,144  
Its been a while since I checked in, just wondering if the earth is warming and what ya'll have concluded on the climate.

Nice days here in PA, recon I'll pick the rest of my peppers in the morn.

"Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig"

About the onliy change is the deniers have mostly quit trying to claim there is no climate warming.

Harry K
 
/ Global Warming? #2,145  
Its been a while since I checked in, just wondering if the earth is warming and what ya'll have concluded on the climate.

Nice days here in PA, recon I'll pick the rest of my peppers in the morn.

"Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig"

About the onliy change is the deniers have mostly quit trying to claim there is no climate warming.

Harry K
 
/ Global Warming? #2,146  
turnkey4099 said:
About the onliy change is the deniers have mostly quit trying to claim there is no climate warming.

Harry K

turnkey4099 said:
About the onliy change is the deniers have mostly quit trying to claim there is no climate warming.

Harry K

And there's the issue. You've read none of the other posts. What study or model are you clinging too?
IPCC, Hansens "Work", or anything from AMS is not accepted.
All of that aside, no one can refute the organizations supporting these "studies" have a lot to gain economically as in cash money.
I get it though. Your just so much smarter than everyone else. Here's some words from your side. Perhaps that will impact you.

Quote by Paul Watson, a founder of Greenpeace: "It doesn't matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true."

Quote by Jim Sibbison, environmental journalist, former public relations official for the Environmental Protection Agency: "We routinely wrote scare stories...Our press reports were more or less true...We were out to whip the public into a frenzy about the environment."

Quote by emeritus professor Daniel Botkin: "The only way to get our society to truly change is to frighten people with the possibility of a catastrophe."

Quote from Monika Kopacz, atmospheric scientist: "It is no secret that a lot of climate-change research is subject to opinion, that climate models sometimes disagree even on the signs of the future changes (e.g. drier vs. wetter future climate). The problem is, only sensational exaggeration makes the kind of story that will get politicians’ — and readers’ — attention. So, yes, climate scientists might exaggerate, but in today’s world, this is the only way to assure any political action and thus more federal financing to reduce the scientific uncertainty."

Quote by Christine Stewart, former Canadian Environment Minister: “No matter if the science is all phoney, there are collateral environmental benefits.... climate change [provides] the greatest chance to bring about justice and equality in the world.”

Quote by Timoth Wirth, U.S./UN functionary, former elected Democrat Senator: “We’ve got to ride the global-warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.”

Quote by Richard Benedik, former U.S./UN bureaucrat: "A global climate treaty must be implemented even if there is no scientific evidence to back the greenhouse effect."

Quote by Gus Hall, former leader of the Communist Party USA: "Human society cannot basically stop the destruction of the environment under capitalism. Socialism is the only structure that makes it possible."

Quote by Peter Berle, President of the National Audubon Society: "We reject the idea of private property."

Quote by Jack Trevors, Editor-in-Chief of Water, Air, & Soil Pollution: "The capitalistic systems of economy follow the one principal rule: the rule of profit making. All else must bow down to this rule…The current USA is an example of a failed capitalistic state in which essential long-term goals such as prevention of climate change and limitation of human population growth are subjugated to the short-term profit motive and the principle of economic growth."

Don't be someone's useful idiot.
 
/ Global Warming? #2,147  
And there's the issue. You've read none of the other posts. What study or model are you clinging too?
IPCC, Hansens "Work", or anything from AMS is not accepted.



<snip>

Don't be someone's useful idiot.

I don't rely on any one source. I follow the reports in the public press, some scientific oriented journals, sites, etc. Mostly reports from people who work in climate related jobs plus reports from agronomists on te migration of species northwards. the most obvious evidence is the diminuation of ice volume at the poles aplus the retreat outright disappearance of glaciers

"Don't be someone's useful idiot"

Good advice, you should try it.

Harry K
 
/ Global Warming? #2,148  
And there's the issue. You've read none of the other posts. What study or model are you clinging too?
IPCC, Hansens "Work", or anything from AMS is not accepted.



<snip>

Don't be someone's useful idiot.

I don't rely on any one source. I follow the reports in the public press, some scientific oriented journals, sites, etc. Mostly reports from people who work in climate related jobs plus reports from agronomists on te migration of species northwards. the most obvious evidence is the diminuation of ice volume at the poles aplus the retreat outright disappearance of glaciers

"Don't be someone's useful idiot"

Good advice, you should try it.

Harry K
 
/ Global Warming? #2,149  
I don't rely on any one source. I follow the reports in the public press, some scientific oriented journals, sites, etc. Mostly reports from people who work in climate related jobs plus reports from agronomists on te migration of species northwards. the most obvious evidence is the diminuation of ice volume at the poles aplus the retreat outright disappearance of glaciers

"Don't be someone's useful idiot"

Good advice, you should try it.

Harry K

Yes, you should!
 
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It's funny you mention ice level. The whole isotope I know the new hot topic is "record" low of sea ice. Maybe the better way is record since 1979 and leaving out cross referencing historical "North Passages" which could only be done without sea ice. So bottom line it's melted before, even been complete gone before.
And of course you've got to leave out the record depth of ice on the other pole and matching greatest extent of sea ice to get that "shock" value required to "scare the public into change".
 
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I did enjoying reading how they get a temp out of ice. Using the level oxygen isotopes in a ratio to find an ambient temp. Just amazing.
 
/ Global Warming? #2,154  
Godfather of GULLIBLE WARMING just said Obama lost the Debates ( BADLY ) because of high altitude. BWHAHAHAHAHHAHAh, I spit my cofee all over my screen.

So for all you suckers that believe in GULLIBLE WARMING just look how stupid your Green Messiah is. SO go ahead believe Al Gore BWHAHAHAHAHHAHA
 
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I understand WHY people believe in Gullible warming.
NAZIS STARTED THE GREAT GLOBAL WARMING HOAX ........

http://ronbosoldier.blogspot.com/2011/02/nazis-started-great-global-warming-hoax.html

By Mark Musser
One of the primary pioneering theorists on apocalyptic global warming is Guenther Schwab (1902-2006), an Austrian ****. In 1958, Schwab wrote a fictional novel built off of Goethe's (1749-1832) Faustian religious play entitled "Dance with the Devil." While a few scientists since the late 1800's had contemplated the possibility of minor global warming coming from industrial pollution, Schwab used Goethe's dramatic approach to convert the theory into an apocalyptic crisis. The book outlines many looming environmental emergencies, including anthropogenic global warming. Guenther Schwab's very popular novel was an apocalyptic game changer. By the early 1970's, it had been translated into several languages and had sold over a million copies.



Global warming is a farce

http://www.globalwarmingisafarce.com/

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/03/the_farce_of_global_warming.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/12/24/anthropogenic_global_warming_is_a_farce.html

http://northerntruthseeker.blogspot.com/2011/08/global-warming-farce-science-is-now.html

Lawrence Solomon Aug 26, 2011 – 11:37 PM ET | Last Updated: Aug 27, 2011 12:00 AM ET
New, convincing evidence indicates global warming is caused by cosmic rays and the sun — not humans
The science is now all-but-settled on global warming, convincing new evidence demonstrates, but Al Gore, the IPCC and other global warming doomsayers won’t be celebrating. The new findings point to cosmic rays and the sun — not human activities — as the dominant controller of climate on Earth.
 
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You seem unthankful, that he created the internet for you. That thought might even have come to him at high altitude. It would explain a lot :)
 
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I think there's a pretty easy to see connection between far left and GW. The left is great at brow beating people into accepting their adjusted studies and omitting facts that don't fit their agenda.
You can claim all the science you want. Ive read the studies and connected the dots. Sorry I won't accept an article as "truth".
Gotta love Al Gore. Hes so creditable that he can only get air time on the "channel" he owns.
Anyone else read the study about who green programs effect? I'll give you a clue. Not the elitist types passing the rules.
 
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Climate change beliefs: Political views trump facts for some

If your mind is made up and you don't want to be confused by the facts then the above link is a must read.

Are we having a scientific debate or a thinly veiled political discussion?

Pat

I have views. And I am still learning.

Without moving to political discussion, it would be disingenuous to suggest that science and politics are not connected. They have been, are, and will be. It is an added complication, to discovering the truth. The fact that the two are connected from the various perspectives, also does not help to make it easier.

So, just as the existence of the hypocritical faith person doesn't make the faith view untrue.

Neither does the hypocritical GW/CC PR person, mentioned above, make GW/CC views untrue.

All sides have to question/wrestle with the challenge of personal view influencing the science. Not just one side.

Objectivity may be more elusive, than we wish it were... and not just for those with the view opposite yours/mine.
 
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