Generators OK for TV's (televisions)?

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Real short; but important for me..........We have a storm coming and I wonder if the newer TV's can be used with a regular ol generator. Seems I have read that the cycles or something will ruin a flat screen/hd type tv........I also have a Honda 3K inverter that causes them NO problems but is made to do this...........We have used it exclusively for several years with our Airstream trailer which is our Video business traveling studio with no problems; but here at the house my Genset is just the plain ol type of 8K genset......thoughts??????.........thanks and God bless......Dennis
 
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Real short; but important for me..........We have a storm coming and I wonder if the newer TV's can be used with a regular ol generator. Seems I have read that the cycles or something will ruin a flat screen/hd type tv........I also have a Honda 3K inverter that causes them NO problems but is made to do this...........We have used it exclusively for several years with our Airstream trailer which is our Video business traveling studio with no problems; but here at the house my Genset is just the plain ol type of 8K genset......thoughts??????.........thanks and God bless......Dennis

Dennis...I am waiting for the same storm you are..I have Plasma tv but I have it plugged into a surge suppressor strip so if I have to fire up my PTO generator it should protect it fine..against any spikes . I would guess if you get a surge suppressor and plug your tv into that you would be fine - they are not expensive. I hope we don't get Ice...snow OK :)
 
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I don't know of any modern electrical equipment that has trouble with wave forms. They have almost universally gone to solid state switching power supplies that will swallow almost anything. The old step-down transformer and rectifier power supplies used to let some noise through if the power wasn't a perfect sine wave.

If you don't think your generator puts out a sine wave, you might add an autotransformer line conditioner. This just puts about 35 lbs. of copper and iron core between the source and the load, stabilizes the voltage and chokes off any spikes with massive inductance. If your generator is the common rotating field brushless type, it probably puts out a better sine wave than all but the most expensive inverters. The surge protector you already use with your TV should be all you need.
 
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Seems like TBN is becoming EBN: ElectricalByNet. :thumbsup:
 
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FWIW, I do not trust my sensitive electronic equipment to run of the mill surge supressors...to fully protect the equipment it is recomended that a UPS (Uninterruptible Power Supply) be used...
 
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FWIW, I do not trust my sensitive electronic equipment to run of the mill surge supressors...to fully protect the equipment it is recomended that a UPS (Uninterruptible Power Supply) be used...

Pine ...I have a whole house surge suppressor and in addition I have individual plug in surge suppressors that I plug all of my electronics into..I bought the surge suppressors from our local power company and they come with $25K insurance should damage to the appliance occur..Don't you think that is good enough ?
 
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DennisArrow said:
Real short; but important for me..........We have a storm coming and I wonder if the newer TV's can be used with a regular ol generator. Seems I have read that the cycles or something will ruin a flat screen/hd type tv........I also have a Honda 3K inverter that causes them NO problems but is made to do this...........We have used it exclusively for several years with our Airstream trailer which is our Video business traveling studio with no problems; but here at the house my Genset is just the plain ol type of 8K genset......thoughts??????.........thanks and God bless......Dennis

Yes it's fine I do it all the time when I go "city camping" haha
 
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Ok........I am kinda ignorant and slow about some of this stuff as well as dyslexic.......SO.......I go down to Radio Shack and ask for what??????????

Thanks........Dennis
 
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Surge suppressors really only protect against high voltage transients (like lightning). The big concern with portable generators and electronics has to do with frequency stability. Switch-mode power supplies that are used in every type of electronic device are very sensitive to line frequency, since they pull power only from the peaks of the sine wave. If the line frequency wanders, it will shorten the life of the power supply.

Bigger generators with electronic governors tend to be very frequency stable. That's not to say that a smaller generator can't be frequency stable, but your milage will vary, especially if the load on the generator varies.
 
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My DeWalt commercial generator won't operate my microwave oven, so I won't try it with my TV, computer, etc. I haven't bothered to figure out why. I got a Yamaha inverter generator which does the job quite well.
 
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Pine ...I have a whole house surge suppressor and in addition I have individual plug in surge suppressors that I plug all of my electronics into..I bought the surge suppressors from our local power company and they come with $25K insurance should damage to the appliance occur..Don't you think that is good enough ?
Without testing the stability of the generator it's hard to say...but I do know that here the power co. is very good about replacing damaged equipment caused by them...as for the surge protectors I would read the fine print of the warranty....

A small scale UPS is less than $50 and is well worth the piece of mind


Surge suppressors really only protect against high voltage transients (like lightning)...

Have to disagree with this...most "surge protectors" say right on the package that they are NOT "lightning protectors"...that is not their purpose...

There is no 100% effective protection against ligthning strike damage to PCB components etc...
 
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/pine said:
Without testing the stability of the generator it's hard to say...but I do know that here the power co. is very good about replacing damaged equipment caused by them...as for the surge protectors I would read the fine print of the warranty....

A small scale UPS is less than $50 and is well worth the piece of mind

Have to disagree with this...most "surge protectors" say right on the package that they are NOT "lightning protectors"...that is not their purpose...

There is no 100% effective protection against ligthning strike damage to PCB components etc...

Surge suppressors use devices such as MOV's and gas tubes to "sink" high voltages to ground. The manufacturer's disclaimer against being lightning protection is to limit their own liability, since no consumer grade surge suppressor can deal with a direct hit from lightning. My point was that these devices do nothing to protect switching power supplies against the frequency instability of typical small generator.

One other poster suggested an inverter style generator, which would provide stable output frequency. As long as it produces a clean sine wave, that would be a good source of power for electronic devices.
 
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Has anybody here had a failure of electronic equipment while running on a generator? The power from the power company can do weird things and I rarely see failures. One of the main reasons for getting a generator is to run TV, computer, radio, etc. Obviously not as important as water, heat, and light, but still important. I think this is not a big deal and your run times tend to be short compared to normal use.
 
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Our power goes out 5 times or more a year, never had an issue running anything with the gen.
 
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Surge suppressors use devices such as MOV's and gas tubes to "sink" high voltages to ground. The manufacturer's disclaimer against being lightning protection is to limit their own liability, since no consumer grade surge suppressor can deal with a direct hit from lightning. My point was that these devices do nothing to protect switching power supplies against the frequency instability of typical small generator.

One other poster suggested an inverter style generator, which would provide stable output frequency. As long as it produces a clean sine wave, that would be a good source of power for electronic devices.

points taken...it's prudent practice to disconnect TV and other sensitive equipment during electrical storms...

Also...many older residences are only wired with two conductor wire...i.e., no dedicated ground wire...even though the wall receptacle will accept a three prong plug does not mean that there is a wire connected to the ground lug...in these cases the warranty is usually void with most typical surge protectors...


FWIW...a UPS (typical back-up battery) becomes an "inverter" style power source when outside power is off...
 
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I bought several wave form UPS from APC...

They are in-line to protect sensitive medical equipment that is fed from a Generator Circuit...

So, far zero issues and the Generator cycles 26 times a year plus outages....
 
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Well - they say we have a big snow and ice storm coming our way here in Georgia so My PTO 20 KW Genny is hooked up and ready to go...If I need it ..I will post back an let ya'll kow if I fried any electornics...I highly doubt it will...Like a previous post..our local power company has played with the power many times..we will see the lights dim and the get real bright and sometimes it will go off for a minute and then surge back on and that has done no damage .
 
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Well - they say we have a big snow and ice storm coming our way here in Georgia so My PTO 20 KW Genny is hooked up and ready to go...If I need it ..I will post back an let ya'll kow if I fried any electornics...I highly doubt it will...Like a previous post..our local power company has played with the power many times..we will see the lights dim and the get real bright and sometimes it will go off for a minute and then surge back on and that has done no damage .

Not sure, but I don't think that has to do with the cycles per second, more like the voltage dipping Bob.
We've run our electronics on the generator (Honda 5K) with no problems. I'm guessing the 60 hz has to do with running the right rpm, but I don't know..
Good luck with the storm!
 
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Been running a generator all day at my camp running a Vizio TV and a Hughes DirecTv receiver...works fine, do it all the time. I also run on a cheap HF invertor a lot of the time too, so far so good except a cheap Mr. Coffee machine did not like the invertor. Rewired it to bypass all the electronics and just put a toggle switch on it.
I have found my Ryobi 18V cordless tool chargers don't like generators or invertors...they work but take way longer than on commercial power.
 
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On spike/surge protectors, they are good for small spikes made by stuff like motors turning on and off. None of them have the ability to deal with lots of energy. The ones you plug stuff into can handle some spikes, the whole house ones can handle more. How good your ground is for your house can also affect how well they work. The quality of your ground is both the "do you have a ground wire in your wiring" and "how many ground rods do you have."

The spike protectors are good stuff, and for a lot of common things that happen they help protect your electronics. Typically stuff they can deal with are motors turing on and off, lightning that hits the main power line at some point more than 1/4 of a mile from your house, and spikes from power coming and going (the small period of time when you are loosing power or getting it back).

Now the power supplies in electronics devices are odd. There are a wide variety of supplies in use. Some of the smaller power supplies (100W or less) can run on 100 to 250 volts, 50 to 60 Hz, and can take just about anything. These are the small rectangular units like you see for laptop chargers and the like. They take whatever comes in, make DC, and switch it down to the right output. They could care less about the input frequency.

Other supplies are more efficient by syncing up with the 60Hz line and turning on transistors (or MOSFETS or IG Transistors) at exactly the right time. They can kick out if the line frequency gets off by a couple Hz. Since the transistors have less voltage drop than diodes, the supply is more efficient. These devices also have circuitry to correct for harmonic distortion and can be more fussy about frequency because of those devices.

At higher power levels, the supplies can only take their rated input voltage- they don't have the wide range of the lower power devices. So for a TV that might be a 90 to 135 volts range. They can take a few cycles in the 140V range. Above that, your surge suppressor should kick in. Some of these use the synchronous rectification mentioned above, some don't. So there is not good way to tell by looking at something if it's fussy or not.

So you can see where a lower power device like a DVD player might tend to be more tolerant than a high power Plasma TV. Unfortunately, there is no good general answer to the OPs question. In general, the modern switching power supplies that are indeed in everything are much more tolerant of over-voltage and off frequency input that produces of 20 years ago and many do well with generators.

But at the end of the day, you just have to try it and see.

Finally, a comment on UPS systems. In a very general sense, there are two flavors of UPS systems. The more common and cheaper ones sit there with the output of the UPS connected to the line. If the voltage goes too high or too low, or if the frequency goes off by more than a Hz or so, a big relay kicks in and connects the output to the UPS's inverter than runs off of the batteries. So your computer or TV gets to see a little dirty power, then loose power for a half cycle, then get new power at some different phase which may or may not make your device happy. But once switched over, you or protected from spikes and sags and frequency and no power at all.

The more expensive ones take the AC in, make DC which goes to batteries, and then always makes a clean sine wave AC that goes to the output. There is no switching on or off, and the output is always clean, spike free, and right on frequency. If you look at the output of the UPS, you have no idea if the AC going in is connected to the batteries or not. If there is input power, they lock and track the frequency so clocks stay accurate. If there is no power, they run the output a 60 Hz which is more than accurate enough given that the batteries only power things for so long. I have one of these in the house, and every computer and TV connects to it. I added special outlets when I built the place so I could have a single big UPS in the basement.

I know this is a wordy reply, clear as mud, and it solves nothing :confused2: but hope the information is useful.

Pete
 
 
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