GC1710 250 hr service

[Rocko]

I'm planning on doing my 250 hr service this weekend.
I purchased the fluids and filters over the past few months.
I expect this to take me 6 to 8 hours.

I have...

5 gal. permatran 821xl
1 gal. Rotella T 15w40
1 gal. Rotella ELC
1 Fuel filter
1 Oil filter
1 Hyd Filter
1 Air filter

Should I pick up some O-rings for the Hydro screen?

Any tips on changing the engine coolant?

 

[irvingj]

The o-rings on mine are still holding up and haven't been changed, but I do check them carefully each time. Same for coolant, though I know I should change it one of these days.

So far have changed fluids 3 times: 50 hrs, 250 hrs, and 500 hrs. Now have about 580 on machine. Still on original battery, too, but not sure how much longer that will continue.

Just look over o-rings carefully for nicks, handle screen carefully, don't over-tighten when putting it back in, and you should be OK.

 

[ray66v]

It will take 6-8 hours, if you stop in the middle, and go to a bar for a 3 hour lunch.

If you have reasonable skills, and equipment, it's a 3 hour job.

 

[Snobdds]

I would change the coolant like any other diesel that changes over to an ELC type coolant. Drain the coolant in both radiator and overflow. Then fill with distilled water and run up to operating temperature. Shut it down and drain out. Keep doing this until the coolant is no longer green. Then look up how many quarts the overall coolant capacity is and divide by 2. Put that much ELC coolant in and fill up the rest with distilled water. Then you know you have at least a 50-50 mix in there...

 

[AxleHub]

I would change the coolant like any other diesel that changes over to an ELC type coolant. Drain the coolant in both radiator and overflow. Then fill with distilled water and run up to operating temperature. Shut it down and drain out. Keep doing this until the coolant is no longer green. Then look up how many quarts the overall coolant capacity is and divide by 2. Put that much ELC coolant in and fill up the rest with distilled water. Then you know you have at least a 50-50 mix in there...

Couple quick questions snobdds,

1. What does ELC stand for?

2. You mentioned to flush it repeatedly until the fluid is no longer green. I'm confused if there is

A. a concern with mixing different types of anti freeze or

B. you just desire it to be completely flushed of everything and anything but clear distilled water before putting new anti freeze in?


3. Is any retail antifreeze ok to use or does it have to be a special type?

 

[Snobdds]

ELC is extended Life Coolant and is usually red. CAT was the first to develop the stuff, but it's the best stuff for diesels because of the heat diesels can produce. Most Ethanol glycol based coolants have silicates in them that fall out of suspension and clog stuff up after awhile if not maintained, the green coolant. Red (ELC) and the green coolants do not mix. The system needs to be flushed thoroughly with distilled water to get all the green coolant out. Then you fill the system with 1/2 of ELC concentrate and top it off with distilled water to bring the mixture to a 50/50 mix. I only say this because I see he has the Rotella ELC, which is great coolant. I was actually kind of shocked to see green coolant in my machine when I bought it. When I get ready to do the 50 hour service, I am going to switch over to ELC coolant since my other diesel uses it as well.

I have a powerstoke that is hard on coolant because of the oil cooler heat exchanger and EGR. I was changing the Ford Gold coolant every year, but decided to change over to ELC coolant to make it last a little longer. I had to use 32 gallons of distilled water to get that flush done properly.

 

[AxleHub]

Snobdds,

Great explanation. Now just one more question related to anti freeze coolants.

A number of years ago . . everything was green coolants and tap water lol. But when I bought my silverado in 2004 I noted it desired a different choice. So I started looking around and I discovered a product by Peak that is designed to work with any type of coolant whether green or red.

Its considered a Long Life 150,000 mile 5 year product and claims to be a formula that is both Phosphate and Silicate free. While it can be used to top off coolant levels . . its long life claims and properties are only valid when it is not used only as a top off use . . . but when the system is flushed and this product in the right mixture is used by itself at a 50/50. It claims to be good for all autos and trucks but doesn't say anything about tractors or diesel equipment.

I assume this would fit the red elc standards do you think?

I'm hoping it does because I like the idea of not having to think about having to have different types for different equipment if I can avoid it. What would your thoughts be on it?

Also it's interesying that it is green in color so I labelled my truck reservoir as "red" so when I get an oil change they don't top off with the older style anti freeze. Did the same with my air hog air filter on the truck too.

 

[Rocko]

Thanks for the tips and replies everyone.

I will pick up some distilled water and I should be good to go.

I have only removed the backhoe and FEL a couple of times.....probably once in "13" and again in "14" when I did the 50 hr service. So I have to refer to the manual quite often.
I'm pretty sure it took me 6 hrs to do the first service....maybe it will go a little faster this time. I do take plenty of coffee breaks tho.

 

[Scut 4 Big Bucks]

Rocko,

Do you have information in your manual about the FEL and backhoe? I have the 1715 model, and there is nothing said about the FEL in my manual.

Also, I don't see any info regarding the glow plugs. When do you change those?

 

[AxleHub]

Rocko,

Do you have information in your manual about the FEL and backhoe? I have the 1715 model, and there is nothing said about the FEL in my manual.

Also, I don't see any info regarding the glow plugs. When do you change those?

Scut, the gc1700 series manual is one thing . . then the dl95 manual is for the fel and you should also have a manual for the cb05 backhoe if you have one . . and yet another manual for any mmm you have.

Massey treats every attachable/detachable item as its own entity with its own maintenance issues and routines in those specific manuals. Now the actual service manual I've not seen.

About "glow plugs" . . . I don't know about maintenance on those at all. Good question. Is there any preventive maintenance on Glow Plugs ?

 

[ray66v]

About "glow plugs" . . . I don't know about maintenance on those at all. Good question. Is there any preventive maintenance on Glow Plugs ?

When you get a lot of hours on them, they can develop a layer of soot, which causes them to loose efficiency.

So, cleaning them, can sometimes help. But, this is not normally necessary.

If you were having starting issues, you could pull one, and check it.

When they have a lot of carbon, they don't pull out without twisting, and pulling.

Usually at that point, you replace them.

 

[Rocko]

Like Axlehub replied...I have separate manuals for the FEl and Backhoe.
And thanks to Ray66v we have some excellent info on the glow plugs...(I never even gave a thought about the glow plugs)

I think it ended up taking me about 3-4 hours to change the filters and oils.
It did take me some time to detach the fel and backhoe...reconnecting went quick tho.
I did wash the tractor and attachments, changed out some grease zerks. checked the tire pressures, spray painting some scratches etc.
Painted the 4 inch abs tube I use for a chain holder and my chainsaw scabbard too.
I did spend all day fussing over the machine....it looked like it just came out off the lot, at least for a day...then it went back to work.

I never did change over to the ELC coolant....the dealer said they never change the coolant on a service.

 

[Scut 4 Big Bucks]

I didn't get a manual for my loader. I'll have to make a call. Thanks for the info.

I did take my FEL off last week just to do it to make sure everything is good to go for the upcoming mowing season. I don't plan to mow my lawn with it on. I did have trouble re-attaching the black hydraulic line. The darn thing just wouldn't push in far enough to clip in. I went in the house, opened up a can of spinach and 6 beers, then it went on. All three others went back on just fine.

 

[AxleHub]

I didn't get a manual for my loader. I'll have to make a call. Thanks for the info.

I did take my FEL off last week just to do it to make sure everything is good to go for the upcoming mowing season. I don't plan to mow my lawn with it on. I did have trouble re-attaching the black hydraulic line. The darn thing just wouldn't push in far enough to clip in. I went in the house, opened up a can of spinach and 6 beers, then it went on. All three others went back on just fine.

One of the first times when I put the fel back on . . . I had the black line not want to quick connect. I noticed the slip coupling wasn't fully moving . . So I cleaned it just a little and worked fine ever since.

 

[ray66v]

Sometimes, the hydraulic hoses can have pressure on them, making re-attachment difficult.

When this happens, I take a couple wrenches and loosen one of the couplers, so the pressure bleeds off.

Some people take a hammer, and tap the end of the fitting a few times.

Once you do that, they should attach with no difficulty.

 

[AxleHub]

Sometimes, the hydraulic hoses can have pressure on them, making re-attachment difficult.

When this happens, I take a couple wrenches and loosen one of the couplers, so the pressure bleeds off.

Some people take a hammer, and tap the end of the fitting a few times.

Once you do that, they should attach with no difficulty.

Just a thought . . if pressure buildup was an issue . . .would dropping the 3pt/mmm or moving the joystick also reduce the pressure ?

 

[ray66v]

Possibly. But, the pressure is usually on the FEL, or the B/H, you are trying to re-attach.

So, reducing the pressure on the tractor side won't help.

 

[Ooklaa]

Im coming up on my 50 hr service are you guys sayin that our manual basically show to do the service? Im gonna prder my stuff this week so ill take pictures of what i see nd wht im doing.

 

[ray66v]

Im coming up on my 50 hr service are you guys sayin that our manual basically show to do the service? Im gonna prder my stuff this week so ill take pictures of what i see nd wht im doing.

To my knowledge MF is still calling for it.

The big things to look for are:

Grease fittings that have never taken grease, or have been overlooked all together. If you don't have one, you're in the minority.

Hoses that are rubbing, chafing, or being poked by cables, or linkages. The clearance is very, very, tight on a sub compact. If a hose is off, by 1/2" from here it was supposed to be attached to the frame, for example, it could be rubbing the tire.

Leaks of any kind. Rare but they do happen. Look for wet spots, and follow them to the source.

Loose, or missing bolts. Not rare.

 

[AxleHub]

To my knowledge MF is still calling for it.

The big things to look for are:

Grease fittings that have never taken grease, or have been overlooked all together. If you don't have one, you're in the minority.

Hoses that are rubbing, chafing, or being poked by cables, or linkages. The clearance is very, very, tight on a sub compact. If a hose is off, by 1/2" from here it was supposed to be attached to the frame, for example, it could be rubbing the tire.

Leaks of any kind. Rare but they do happen. Look for wet spots, and follow them to the source.

Loose, or missing bolts. Not rare.

I think the easiest things to forget is changing out gear box fluids on implements like the mmm or maybe a 3pt implement.