Oil & Fuel Fuel gelling?

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Barnboy

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We had our first snow in central Illinos so I had my first chance to try out the B3030. The first day I plowed my drive in less than 15 min.The next day I wanted to play some more so I went to the neighbors house 1/4 mile away. First neighbor went fine. Started on the second neighbor and I could barely get in his drive. At first I thought I was losing traction. I finally made it to his garage and lowered the blade. I started to pull foward and the tractor acted like it was losing power.The engine didnt sound like it was under a load. Not knowing what was hapenning I rushed home to check the sudt level. It was fine. The only thing I could think of was the fuel was purchased in the summer. Was the fuel gelling causing low power. If it was gelling did I ruin anything?I went to walmart and purchased some additive and tried moving snow today. Everything seems to be fine but I wasnt out as long.
 
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You didn't mention the temperature. Down to about 15F, summer fuel should work OK. Fuel gelling WILL cause low power, in fact it will ultimately result in zero power output.

You didn't hurt anything.
 
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It was around 15 deg. It was just odd the motor sounded fine. I put pressure on the hydro petal and it didnt feel like it was getting power to the wheels.Glad to hear I didnt hurt anything.
 
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i was reading on another post about loss of power right around this time of year. they said to change the fuel filter every fall because water in the filter will cause problems. it helped that persons particular power loss problem.
 
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At 50 hrs I replaced all filters and changed hydro fluid to sudt. I currently have 65 hrs on it. But thanks for the reply. Two heads are beter than one. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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Anytime the temps drop to less than 30F, I dump fuel conditioner in both the tractor and the truck. Cheap insurance. I also keep a bottle of "MeltDown" around in case the fuel should still happen to gel up. Meltdown can be bought at any truckstop like T/A or Pilot. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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I think you will get pretty good consensus on this board that the Power Service Diesel Fuel Additive is highly recommended in the winter time. It can be found at Walmart and NAPA. Get the white bottle. It has all the additives to keep you running in the winter (and probably the summer too). In a bind you can probably through some kerosene in the tank too that might thin out the #2 enough to get you going but that would not be something to do on a regular basis.
 
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I came into the same problem with losing power/smoking with my B7510HSD but my outside temp was around 35 deg. I work at a Chevy dealership and asked some of our diesel techs what I should do. They said it was more than likely water in the fuel. I had 2 choices, one, flush the fuel system, two, use a additive called Howes Diesel Treat. It cleared everything up in two seconds! Made a believer out of me. I will run it in everything I own now. Well worth it.
 
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I have a little story that may shock some of you. Years ago I was a tech at a Chevy dealer. While there, I went to a class at the Warren Technical Center, near Detroit, on the then new 6.2L Diesel engine. We discussed fuel gelling at cold temperatures and were told by the instructor that it was perfectly safe, acceptable and recommended to add gasoline to the diesel at a 1 to 10 ratio. In fact, he said that it would not hurt anything to go as high as 1 to 4 on the mix in extremely cold weather. I had never heard of this before so I was skeptical. The instructor assured me that it was OK and that there was enough lubrication in the diesel fuel so that no harm would be done to the injection pump and the gasoline would not damage the engine itself. Since he was a genuine GM instructor at the GM factory school I decided he must know what he is talking about. During the following winter I had the opportunity to try it myself. My service manager asked me to take a customer's new Chevy K2500 w/6.2L pickup home for the weekend to try and diagnose an odd driveline vibration. That Sunday morning it was 22 below zero which is extremely cold for southern Michigan. I needed to make a trip to the store so I took the truck. I had plugged the block heater in over night for just such an occasion as I knew it was going to get cold. The truck started right up. I let it warm up for a few minutes so I would have some heat and took off. The store was about 3 miles away. The first two miles were fine and then it started to lose power. I thought it may be fuel gelling so I switched to the other one of the dual tanks. It recovered and ran OK until I was almost to the retail part of town. As it started to die again I remembered what I had learned the summer before about adding gas to the diesel fuel. I quickly spotted a gas station and almost made it, stopping about 20 feet short of the pumps. No problem, I thought, I'll just go in and borrow a can, put some gas in it and then pour it into the truck. Wrong. The station did not have a can to lend so there I was, 20 feet away from salvation. There was a K Mart about a block away so I walked over to it in the -22 degree weather with the wind blowing and bought a 1 gallon can. I went back to the station, bought 1 gallon of gas and poured it into the tank that was about half full. I then pushed on the side of the truck to get it rocking so the gas would mix with the diesel and hopefully melt the wax (so called gelling is actually the parafin wax that is in all oil. At cold enough temperatures it turns into little globs of clear wax that plugs things up and stops the flow of fuel) that had collected on the filter sock on the pickup tube in the tank. It worked. The truck started and I was able to drive back home with no more problems. (Later versions of the 6.2L engine had fuel line heaters near the engine and no filter socks in the tank.) It made a believer out of me. In the 23 years since and having driven diesels most of those years year around in Michigan I have never had a fuel gelling problem. I think the additives that are available today for diesel fuel are a much better solution for fuel gelling but in a pinch, I would not hesitate to use gasoline again. It kept me from a long cold walk home.
 
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I have owned 4 diesel trucks over the years, Anti gel is cheap insurance, I added it to every tank full when the weather was cold.

KC
 

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