Frying Pan Ocean Cam

[buckeyefarmer]

I have pretty much stopped watching pro FB because of it. Its not the flag, it's the lack of respect for our country. If they want to do something about social justice, they can donate some of their money.
There's always some social injustice, for all types of people.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

Tonight i passed the scene of an accident that happened a few yrs back. A marine had stopped to help someone with a flat tire, and was killed by a hit and run driver in a box truck. The driver and truck was never found. The site is marked with a US flag and a marine corp flag, each on a short pole stuck in the ground. Probably maintained by local marines. No lights, and they dont take them down. But the flags are in good shape.

 

[Sigarms]

That's still were I disagree, especially if you are going to nit pick flag etiquette. It states to stand, face the flag, with your hand over your heart.

One is absolute disrespect, the other is unintentional ignorance typically.

I don't lose sleep. But I don't like it.

The point is we ALL PICK AND CHOOSE what WE feel is appropriate per Flag etiquette, and you have to remember, for most of the part, that is dictated by what our government (made up by men) tell us. If you're going to get pissed at FB players kneeling, you might as well get just as pissed at every other ignorant US citizen that doesn't know how to even fly the Flag.

During the pledge of allegiance it was customary to give the Bellemy salute and no one gave it a second thought.

Do I really really care if a US Flag is blowing in hurricane winds? Not really because I can't control it. Do I really care if people are flying their flags at night with lights? Not really because I can't control it. Do I really care if FB players are kneeling during the NA when up to 10 years ago, most weren't even out on the field during the NA to begin with? Not really because they are doing nothing to how I want to respect the flag.

 

[Sigarms]

I have pretty much stopped watching pro FB because of it. Its not the flag, it's the lack of respect for our country. If they want to do something about social justice, they can donate some of their money.
There's always some social injustice, for all types of people.

With the Resdkins and Snyder, I think you're just looking for a cop out LOL

As someone else mentioned, it's the NA issue that will be the downfall of pro football, but the known after effects of the head injuries. The reality is at the youth level, football participation is down, and I believe it's going to get much worse. I know my one boy wants to play football, but that is a no go which I endorse even though I played a little.

 

[MossRoad]

I stopped watching pro baseball in 1994-95 when they went on strike. Anyone going on strike because their average salary was going to be raised from $1.2 million per year to "just" $2.6 million per year over a 7 year period is an idiot. I switched to little league. Much more satisfying.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

With the Resdkins and Snyder, I think you're just looking for a cop out LOL

As someone else mentioned, it's the NA issue that will be the downfall of pro football, but the known after effects of the head injuries. The reality is at the youth level, football participation is down, and I believe it's going to get much worse. I know my one boy wants to play football, but that is a no go which I endorse even though I played a little.

Not a redskins fan, never was. Nor ravens.

 

[Sigarms]

Not a redskins fan, never was. Nor ravens.

Well, WHAT team did you follow?

For myself, Eagles baby.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

Well, WHAT team did you follow?

For myself, Eagles baby.

The team in PA, Steelers.

From what i hear, they arent looking too good. I havent watched any this yrr.

 

[Sigarms]

Well, depending on how you want to look at it, the tattered flag is now up for auction...

Frying Pan Tower flag up for auction with bids topping $2,5 :: WRAL.com

Personally, I think it's a farce...

 

[MossRoad]

The guy repeats proper flag protocol for tattered flags, and donated the flag to the American Red Cross. They're the ones auctioning it off for hurricane relief. I see nothing wrong with it.

 

[Sigarms]

The guy repeats proper flag protocol for tattered flags, and donated the flag to the American Red Cross. They're the ones auctioning it off for hurricane relief. I see nothing wrong with it.

Never knew donating a tattered flag to the American Red cross for an auction was an approved means to dispose of the Flag. Could you link a source for my reading enjoyment?

 

[MossRoad]

First off, he's not disposing that flag, so that's that.

Here ya go.

Four options for retiring worn-out American flags

You can burn it, recycle it, donate it, cut it up into pieces (as long as you don't cut through the blue field, as once you cut it, it's no longer a U.S. flag) and dispose of the pieces respectfully ( that means wrap it up carefully and put it out with the trash, as long as it's done in a dignified and respectable manner). Many of the flags made today of synthetic material are not safe to burn, as they give off toxic fumes. So you can't burn them.

No where, anywhere, does anything say you can't keep it if it's tattered. They just say don't fly it if it's not suitable for display, and dispose of it properly when the time comes.

Here's a link to the 2nd flag flown at Iwo Jima. It's tattered, and displayed. It's not being flown, but it is being displayed. Maybe we should write to the National Museum of the Marine Corp and tell them they shouldn't be displaying it?

Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima - Wikipedia

 

[Sigarms]

First off, he's not disposing that flag, so that's that.

Here ya go.

Four options for retiring worn-out American flags

You can burn it, recycle it, donate it, cut it up into pieces (as long as you don't cut through the blue field, as once you cut it, it's no longer a U.S. flag) and dispose of the pieces respectfully ( that means wrap it up carefully and put it out with the trash, as long as it's done in a dignified and respectable manner). Many of the flags made today of synthetic material are not safe to burn, as they give off toxic fumes. So you can't burn them.

No where, anywhere, does anything say you can't keep it if it's tattered. They just say don't fly it if it's not suitable for display, and dispose of it properly when the time comes.

Here's a link to the 2nd flag flown at Iwo Jima. It's tattered, and displayed. It's not being flown, but it is being displayed. Maybe we should write to the National Museum of the Marine Corp and tell them they shouldn't be displaying it?

Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima - Wikipedia

Your four options did not list donating it to acution it off (he's not disposing of the flag, but he should as it should no longer be flown). As mentioned, I'm only pointing out the sheer stupidity on how people get worked up over people kneeling during the national anthem vs how we as a socitey actually treat the Flag. Personally, I don't care what he does with it as I can't control what he does.

 

[MossRoad]

Your four options did not list donating it to acution it off (he's not disposing of the flag, but he should as it should no longer be flown). As mentioned, I'm only pointing out the sheer stupidity on how people get worked up over people kneeling during the national anthem vs how we as a socitey actually treat the Flag. Personally, I don't care what he does with it as I can't control what he does.

And that's where we'll just have to disagree on this subject. There's plenty of examples of tattered flags being displayed in museums. And people keep sentimental flags. I have the first one I was given when we got married and bought our first house. It got worn, faded, and started to tear, so I replaced it with a new one, and kept the old one for sentimental reasons. It's folded neatly and tucked away in a safe place.

 

[Sigarms]

And that's where we'll just have to disagree on this subject. There's plenty of examples of tattered flags being displayed in museums. And people keep sentimental flags. I have the first one I was given when we got married and bought our first house. It got worn, faded, and started to tear, so I replaced it with a new one, and kept the old one for sentimental reasons. It's folded neatly and tucked away in a safe place.

I don't think we disagree, I'm just being a PITA playing devils advocate.

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

I don't think we disagree, I'm just being a PITA playing devils advocate.

LOL. You can say that again....

 

[Sigarms]

LOL. You can say that again....

I will

We get our panties all wadded up on things that don't harm us, point fingers at people we disagree with, and forget that three fingers are pointing right back at us.