Found a coyote, I think

[MossRoad]

This was my first cat. Got him when I was 26. He lived about 16 years. Had diabetes the last two. Got insulin shots twice a day. Didn't care. I raised him with a Cairn Terrier. Taught him to walk on a leash like the dog. For all intents and purposes, he thought he was a dog. He liked sour cream. That's the dining room table he's holding on to. He was 37" from tip to tail, and could pull food off your plate if you didn't keep an eye on him.

 

[Raspy]

I used to have this philosophical argument (man's superiority) with my dad at the dinner table. It really boiled down to the definition of what 'intelligent' means. If man is doing such great things but not living in harmony with the rest of the animals... then are we so 'superior'? That said, still glad I was born human... and in the USA!

:thumbsup:

 

[Raspy]

Thanks. Sorry about your dog, too. Nice looking pup! :thumbsup:

This cat was pretty darn smart. He figured out that "laser button click noise meant red dot somewhere" in about an hour. I taught him to sit, shake hands, sit up, and high-five in about a week, working just one or two times in the morning and again in the evening, so at the most, about 5 minutes a day for 7 days and he had it. I was working on lie down and roll over when the heart condition surfaced.

I have a very loud 93 Suburban. My wife and daughter said he'd pop his head up and run to the back door and sit on the carpet facing the door about 10 seconds before they could hear me coming down the street. So he was always there waiting for me at the back door. While I'd like to think it was because he liked me, I'm pretty sure he knew it was because "here comes that guy that give me snacks if I do stuff". :laughing:

Great story. :thumbsup:

 

[MossRoad]

Great story. :thumbsup:

Thanks.

So's your coyote story. I've been following it for a long time. :thumbsup:

 

[Raspy]

Hey Moss,

The story of your sister's dove reminded me of a great little book about a quail. It lived with people for a long time and had an amazing personality and will. It's called "That Quail, Robert" by Margaret A. Stanger and was first published in 1966. A neighbor gave me a copy as a possible guide for writing about Sandy and I liked it so much I ordered more to share.

 

[Rock Crawler]

Really cool read. Love the story! I am a dog guy, as I bet a lot here are.

What I find funny is some of your descriptions and likeness to domestic dogs that suggests that there are for sure still wild traits in your Yote, yet there are many things about your yote that remind me of my Angel. Angel is what I call a free range dog, I'm not one for teaching tricks or dominating a dog. Angel lives as she wants, always has. If she wants in the house, she comes in. If she wants out, we open the door and she leaves to do whatever she does. She is barely able to be on a leash, if leashed, she pulls until she nearly gags herself unconscious. A leash is a very rare event and is somewhat traumatic for her. It sounds like your yote hated the lease in similar fashion. Angel knows her name and knows a handful of common 1 word commands such as UP, BALL, SLEEP, FOOD, EASY, DOWN and a few more. But one thing about a free range dog is that they do not COME, STAY or pretty much do anything that is not of their current desire. Angel will come when she dang well pleases, and not a moment sooner. I bet Angel would have gotten along famously with your yote! They could have laughed together at the idiot humans trying to yell out ignored commands!

Had I been in your situation, I really feel that I would tried hard to keep that yote around as a free dog and let it live with us in whatever way it desired. If wanted in to sleep on the bed, fine. If it wanted out to disappear into the woods for hours, fine. Angel does it that way, she controls her life for the most part. We feed her, love her and let her do her thing.

Maybe the big difference between a truly wild dog and an unstructured domestic dog like mine is that if ANYONE goes outside and Angel is within earshot, she will come and be around. She is typically always within a couple hundred feet of me when I am out, she likes to lay half asleep and watch me working from under some shaded brush or a tree. And another difference may be that my domestic dog does often annoy me for physical attention. She will come to me or my wife and insist that she get rubbed, I suppose your wild dog put on more distance as it matured.

My dog is constant barker as well when she out making her security rounds, we have just under 15 acres that adjoin just over 2000 acres, and she pretty much knows our property area and the limits of it. She runs that property line many times a day and often at night, my suspicion is that she patrols what she feels is her domain and pushes back any wildlife that may want to try and come here. We do not have to worry about coons, rabbits or any other rodents because she kills them all if they are discovered.

I really would love to get a chance to experience some of the things that you were able to. Man, you sure had one **** of a unique chance to learn there, and it sounds as if you really did make the most of it!

Awesome!

 

[Raspy]

Rock,

That is a great report and it sounds very much like Sandy.

I often thought of her as some distant cousin that had come to visit. Sometimes we'd spend the day together and sometimes she'd do her own thing all day. I never trained her beyond a few very basic things, such as to wear a collar, some walking on a a leash, "UP" into the truck. She would come to me in the morning every time with a nice greeting, but during the day she would just look up as to say "I'm over here". While traveling she would get out of the truck to pee when we stopped and I opened the door, and then come back when I caller her. As you mentioned, calling her had mixed results and worked mainly if she got something out of it.

"Free range dog" is an excellent description as Sandy was not fenced in and spent most nights out in her den. But she did not patrol a large area and never at night as far as we could tell. Her territory was mainly about 200' around the house. She often wanted to come in, but as time went on the cat was really afraid of her. To reduce stress, we left Sandy mostly out at night.

She did not bark, like a regular dog and the yipping, or singing that coyotes are famous for wasn't displayed often. I have a video clip of her yipping, or singing at full volume with her head pointed straight up. Blasting her message out to the world. It is so funny. I used the sound clip for a phone ring for years and every time my phone would ring in a public place, somebody would look around fearfully to see the coyote that must be right behind them. Very funny! The constant singing they do in the night seems like a group dynamic thing while out running together. We tried practicing howling with her, but it scared her so we stopped. Howling and barking are different than singing. Growling while playing with me and play biting went on constantly. I growled at her and she growled at me as we went at it. I had mixed feelings about allowing her to bite like that because if she really got scared or felt trapped, she might just tear a big chunk out. But she never got aggressive, with the exception of warning us not to take away her road-kill rabbits. Once we gave one to her, it was hers and that was that. All of our interaction with her was a negotiation and not a trap. She was very cautious and I did not want to scare her or bring on the flight response. The trust that developed was touching. But some trickery was always evident too. Like hiding food. Then she would take her long naps in her den where she felt completely safe.

 

[Rock Crawler]

Mine came to us 6 years ago as an abused 9 month old, she's a mut, so I can't say what breeds she has. Being severely beat, her ears are hard and damaged scar tissue and she's very reluctant to being touched by anyone but us and even now she's cautious and slow to come into touching range. To a stranger, no chance.

Angel goes out and what I typically do is go onto the back deck or the front porch and listen to get an idea where she is. She runs a pretty consistent loop pattern, so I can judge if she's on the return path or still working out into woods deeper. I'm not sure what her sound is called other than a constant quick yelping bark that is very different from her bark heard when a vehicle pulls in. I fully do believe is to ward off any rodents, deer or the very common coyotes we have here. Or thought it's that she appreciates us taking her in, and that she's never hit or kicked here, so we think that in return she wants to protect us from all of murderous rodents in the woods

If you ran into this situation again in your life, would you do similar and give the coyote a home with you or did you find a compelling reason in this adventure that would make you not want to do similar if presented with that choice?

I attached a photo of my Angel and her typical distance she is comfortable with, always near by, always watching. And when she wants it, beside me getting pet. But I could never hug her, hold her or in any way make her feel confined or held in place. She goes ballistic if you attempt to grab her. My vet freaks that it's because if her beatings and that she still only allows so much trust of pain givers.... humans.

 

[dragoneggs]

John, you know my thoughts about coy dogs. At least from my one very long lived data point. If I could ever find another one, I would do it in a heartbeat. Good luck.

 

[Raspy]

John, you know my thoughts about coy dogs. At least from my one very long lived data point. If I could ever find another one, I would do it in a heartbeat. Good luck.

Yep. Coy dogs are a different story. Still looking. Maybe one of us will find two and we'll both be set!

 

[2LaneCruzer]

Yep. Coy dogs are a different story. Still looking. Maybe one of us will find two and we'll both be set!

Mid-High Content Coydog Pups

 

[Raspy]

Mid-High Content Coydog Pups

Interesting. Thanks.

Sounds like they were properly cared for.

 

[Raspy]

Does anyone know a way to save this entire thread to either a thumb drive or to the hard drive on a Mac?

I have lots of the pages saved, but not all the pages in one place. Copying each comment is way too much.

Thanks, John

 

[dragoneggs]

Does anyone know a way to save this entire thread to either a thumb drive or to the hard drive on a Mac?

I have lots of the pages saved, but not all the pages in one place. Copying each comment is way too much.

Thanks, John

John, I don't. but PM Muhammad and see if he can help you.

 

[Raspy]

Good idea. Thanks.

 

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