Found a coyote, I think

/ Found a coyote, I think
  • Thread Starter
#261  
We've been wondering for a while how Sandy would interact with the wild coyotes in the area. We were warned that they would kill her, but I don't know. She might have paired up with one at some point if she stayed here, and that would have been a beautiful story. The latest group of them could easily be her siblings and that could have an unpredictable affect. Last Wednesday, before we left on our trip, the wild ones were yipping during the day in the direction where we picked her up. I have never heard them from that area and never at that time. We had her on a leash to keep her from going to her den for a nap and she was very nervous. Looking over there and pulling on the tether, jumping and just generally concerned. I went to her and calmed her down several times, but as soon as I walked away she was upset again.

Last month on the 22nd they were here next to the house at night. Then on the 23rd she had a fight with them late at night. Liye heard her outside crying, hurt. Liye took the other dogs out and called Sandy. When she came to the porch she was very upset and looked like she wanted help. Bei Bei checked her over closely. Liye told her to go to bed and she went to her den for the rest of the night. It was late, windy and raining hard.

The next morning Sandy came to the porch as she always did and liye discovered she was limping, bleeding from her forehead and had two teeth missing. Poor dog. Several puncture wounds from canine teeth.

From then on she stayed closer to the house and seemed very nervous when the yipping started.

It begins to show the position she was in here. Not with her natural pack, she was vulnerable and on her own. With us, but living in her own den outside the house. Safe with us, but not with her own kind and in a situation that would have to get resolved at some point. Wild ones near every night. Her instincts were driving her and she was responding to them. She had made herself a very secure den so she felt safe to sleep and hide if needed. A place to get out of the hot sun, to rest at night and to get away from danger.

As a coyote she liked to patrol at night and so she did. Harmless activity and fun to see, but others are out at that time too. An activity unnecessary here as she couldn't or didn't hunt. Her favorite food is rabbit, but we had to supply them. And yet she protected them from us with a snarl if we came to close while she was eating. She never protected the dry dog food from us or the other dogs though, and would even bring a rabbit leg or head to share. But the main body was hers and hers alone. Period. When she was full she would bury or hide the rest until later and then get it back out.

She always loved to be with us. Anytime of the day or night. As I mentioned before, she would go up to the new house with me in the morning and make that her area. She would begin to look around and find something to play with and keep away from me. She would do it right in front of me and while watching me. if I said no or moved toward her she was off like a shot and the game was on. Always staying just out of reach, she is much faster than me and could toy with me as I tried to get my paint brush or glove back.

Every other day we fill our water tank. Liye would walk up to the pump house and Sandy would take off. When Liye got there she would find Sandy sitting and waiting for her at the pump house door.

Sandy was beginning to expand her territory, even though she had been hurt. Her leg healed over the next couple of weeks and she was seen over at our neighbor's place about 200 yards away. Liye would go running and Sandy would go with her, but then Liye would bring her back and leash her so as not to be followed. I was out of town a lot recently and she was beginning to wander farther. We came back from town a few days ago and found quail feathers and a few bones strewn around the porch. Somehow she had gotten a bird. We think it cam from the neighbors house where they feed them all the time.

I would go on walks out into the BLM land and Sandy was my partner. No leash, she was an equal, a pack mate, out on patrol with me. Looking for animals. Checking the place out. Even working as a team to surround a rabbit or waiting as I tried to drive a rabbit her way. She was in her element and I marveled at the teamwork she displayed. We were partners. When it was time to go home we just headed back in that direction. Always covering more ground than me, she would circle around, stop to investigate something, dig a bit or carry a pine cone for a while. Looking over to check on me or tooling along parallel at a distance. When we got back to the house there was always a nice greeting. Bei Bei would check her over and Liye would welcome us back. All things I'd expect a wild dog to do in the wild with her pack. But, of course, we brought no food home. Me and Sandy, two domestic animals out acting wild. Friends.

She was bridging the gap between wild and tame. Adapting to the world she found herself in, but not ignoring who she was at her core. Finding a balance. Trusting but wary. Shy, but secure. All the while healthy and well fed so that she could think about more than just survival. Mostly safe. Certainly not threatened by us or by Bei Bei. Being safe and well fed, living with trusted pack mates and having Bei Bei as her protector and surrogate mother gave her the opportunity we wanted her to have. That is, we wanted to see who she was. Who is this little dog? What is her personality, can she be friends with us, can we live with her, etc. Can she be other than a dangerous killer, a menace, a mindless opportunist?

Well, we found out she has a real personality. A sense of humor. She can plan ahead and carry out those plans. She can adapt to new situations and be happy doing it (this is a big one for a wild dog). Do things like ride in the car for hours, happily looking out the window or sleeping. Never a mess in the car, she would let us know when she needed to get out. If we were not near a highway I'd just let her go and she would sniff around, do her thing and jump back in when I called her. She can love and trust people. Follow people's directions. Learn things by being taught and through observation. She can apply her instincts to situations no other coyote has ever had to in a way that allows harmony in her world. In other word's she is able to adapt and live in piece. In fact she wants to live that way. Never asking more than what is needed right now and always ready to have fun or doze off as she is talked to and petted. She clearly demonstrated her love for this place and for us and for Bei Bei. She never wandered off even though she was free to go from two moths old. Never fenced in, always outside and only tethered for short times for special reasons. She lived here and this was her home. She was very happy.

This is why we love her so much. She is a family member that adds so much. We have put so much into her care. Protected her, fed her and interacted with her. Had a real relationship with her. At the same time she could have been taken away at any time and we could not get medical attention for her. That's the unresolvable conflict. A phone call by a neighbor to animal control and she would have been taken. If she scratched a neighbor accidentally during a greeting or during play, they would rightly ask: has she had her rabies shots? My answer would be no and then the real trouble would start. And remember, we wanted to get her shots. We tried, we schemed to get her shots. It's illegal to give her shots and the record of those shots would lead to further problems. So, after I would have replied "no" to the question, she would have been killed to test her for rabies. It's just as simple as that. No ifs, ands, or buts. Killed, dissected and tested like rat in a laboratory.

So there's the story. Keep her and risk the problems, or send her away and let her live. She could not be released as she could not hunt and I was not going to subject her to starvation after saving her. Not going to ditch a friend in the mountains and drive away to wash my hands of the problem. Loving her meant letting her go. Confusing her and disrupting her happy life, but giving her security the best way we could. And I know we truly did the best we could.

The next chapter is yet to be written in her life and I'll be involved with that too. That's where all of you will be able to follow this story farther, see more pictures of her, learn about her future adventures and even meet her if you happen to be in the area. Meanwhile I'll update the story as new things happen and we get through this transition period with her getting settled and me getting organized.

It's been a wonderful adventure. It has satisfied a long standing curiosity of mine about wild dogs. It connects all of us to our domestic dogs and the wild ones they came from. The beauty and incredible depth of these magnificent dogs is really something touching and so underestimated by the general public. I hope we all can see them in a little different light now. If I am able to improve their interaction with people in some small way, I will be very satisfied that I have done my part in this story.
 

Attachments

  • DSC03579.jpg
    DSC03579.jpg
    322.4 KB · Views: 395
  • DSC08090-1.jpg
    DSC08090-1.jpg
    504.4 KB · Views: 360
  • DSC00499.JPG
    DSC00499.JPG
    863.4 KB · Views: 282
  • DSC00456.JPG
    DSC00456.JPG
    935.1 KB · Views: 306
  • DSC09841.jpg
    DSC09841.jpg
    312 KB · Views: 310
  • DSC09854.jpg
    DSC09854.jpg
    259.3 KB · Views: 340
Last edited:
/ Found a coyote, I think #262  
I find the pic with Sandy and the brown hound mix interesting. Were you there when the pic was taken?
If so, what was going on there? Sometimes a snapshot is very misleading but it looks as though she is taking a submissive posture. It looks to really shed some insight into this dog and her demeanor...at that moment anyway.
Share that if you will....
The next chapter is yet to be written in her life and I'll be involved with that too. That's where all of you will be able to follow this story farther, see more pictures of her, learn about her future adventures and even meet her if you happen to be in the area. Meanwhile I'll update the story as new things happen and we get through this transition period with her getting settled and me getting organized.

Whatever happens here, remember, you did your best, due diligence and then some. It's up to fate now, really not much different than it is for any other yote, just a bit more protected.
Yea, you lost a pack mate, and I can't know what that feels like, but you had a pack mate and how many people can say that?
 
/ Found a coyote, I think #263  
Your right, "we" have no idea if she could have been adopted by a pack or killed. I don't think it was worth the risk to find out so I agree that the sanctuary was a great option. Thanks for keeping us posted!
 
/ Found a coyote, I think
  • Thread Starter
#264  
Robert,

You have a knack for putting things in the most positive light. Thanks. Well put.

Yeah, I had a pack mate and it really affected me. What an experience.

That other dog is Gus, a vizsla. Solid as rock. Runs miles every day. He's my neighbors dog and he is absolutely non aggressive. When Sandy first met him she could not see well and growled at him. A very serious warning came from her. Gus's owner thought Sandy was a little terror. Then later they met again and Sandy was immediately submissive with him. She seems to trust him as well and just likes him, but he is mostly indifferent. They don't play because Gus is such a people dog and very focused on their walks, but most mornings they stop by for five minutes or so.

Bei Bei is clearly the dominant one with Sandy too.

With me she is submissive to a point. We worked that issue out earlier and I try to stay on the right side of it without being too dominant. As long as I don't try to take one of her rabbits or push her when she's tired, she's very tolerant and interested in my attention. She comes to me mostly and responds well to patience. With Liye she comes right away.

She often seems to be bridging the gap between instinct and the domestic world she lives in. One minute instinct rules and the next her sweet nature in a non threatening world allows her to not worry about dominance or food or physical threats. Then a loud noise causes her to bolt, but she doesn't go far, and soon she's back and lying on her back, eyes closed. She deals with strangers very well and is in their laps about five minutes after meeting them. She never seems too interested in pleasing anyone, but lives more by her own code. Fortunately that code is to be good natured and trusting.
 
/ Found a coyote, I think
  • Thread Starter
#266  
Here's a mini update!

I just got a call from the sanctuary. Kim is the woman I made the arrangements with and she called.

On the first day Sandy was wary and did not want to be touched.

Next day she was much better and they were feeding her mice. Today Kim went in to see her. Sandy came over wagging her tail. Kim started petting her, put on a collar and took her out for a walk. Sandy went along just fine, was being very nice and Kim really likes her. She was introduced to some other coyotes. The report is that Sandy is "completely a doll".

So, Sandy is making the transition smoothly, making new friends and acting like I'd expect her to act here.

This is a relief for me. Knowing she is getting good food, good care and responding to it all like normal.


Meanwhile, Bei Bei is acting normally, as though nothing happened. But when asked "where's Sandy?", she sped off to get her from her den. I guess it's just Liye and I that are panicking.
 
/ Found a coyote, I think #267  
John I am glad to hear that Sandy is doing well, that is a good sign. Her trainer sounds like she likes her and that will work out good for Sandy, hopefully she makes it to be an ambassador to the human race. I think alot of people could learn alot from her, she is very smart.

Randy
 
/ Found a coyote, I think #268  
John I am glad to hear that Sandy is doing well, that is a good sign. Her trainer sounds like she likes her and that will work out good for Sandy, hopefully she makes it to be an ambassador to the human race. I think alot of people could learn alot from her, she is very smart.

Randy
 
/ Found a coyote, I think #269  
John, I'm so very happy to hear that Sandy has found a new home and new coyote friends too! I can't thank you enough for sharing this with us; it's been absolutely wonderful hearing this incredible story.
 
/ Found a coyote, I think #270  
Hey John How is the new house coming? Any word on how Sandy is taking to her new life?
Randy
 
/ Found a coyote, I think #271  
Hey John How is the new house coming? Any word on how Sandy is taking to her new life?
Randy
 
/ Found a coyote, I think
  • Thread Starter
#272  
Randy,

Very nice to hear from you!

We are slowly making progress on the new house, but I must admit some of the wind was taken from our sails.

Sending Sandy away was a heart wrenching experience. It's the loss of a family member. The place feels so different without her joyous and funny presence.

Last night we were sitting out on the back porch overlooking the vast BLM lands to our south. Pinion pines and brush. The Pine Nut mountains jutting up aggressively just to the west. A wildfire was burning about 10 miles away and the evening sky was alive with smoke and thunderstorm clouds. Repeated flashes and loud rumbling booms captured our imagination. A smoky scent mixed with the desert sage. The trees were filled with quail and their conversation. A distant owl hooted. And best of all, the song dogs were out. Coyotes just out of sight yipping their song. The evening dimmed to last light as we sipped our drinks. Fascinating.

When Sandy would hear those dogs she became very nervous, but I love it and it's there every night. Are they her siblings?

I've been writing about her and outlining the book. Two problems are holding me back. One is telling all the interesting little aspects of her early life in a way that makes sense. The other is defining her place in our family and our interaction. This second one is with me all the time as I miss her and think about how we interacted.

She wasn't a pet. She was a family member. She didn't try much to please us, but wanted to be a part of all we did. We didn't really train her, but she learned how to live with us and be a part of our life. She lived her life with us in a very happy way and developed her habits, games and activities around ours. She included us in her life as we included her in ours. Never hiding her emotions or living in fear, and always being exactly who she was. She was able to be a coyote with all her instincts in play, but get along fine in a domestic world. Without words she expressed every thought and emotion, and as it turned out, and luckily, she is a very nice dog. Not a mean bone in her body.

I'm beginning to liken her to a house guest. A friend or relative that comes to visit for an extended stay. One who wants to fit in and have some fun times. Not someone we would train, but someone we would interact with. Someone the neighbors would come to meet. Someone that would make our lives better and more interesting. Someone with a definite kinship.

But in this case, of course, disaster could strike at any time. So we sent her away to save her.

I'm happy she is safe, but sad we can't live together.

I still expect to see her come bounding up for a treat or a greeting. I still see her toys around and chew marks on my stuff. The richness of life is not quite the same.

A new and bright future awaits her and is already beginning. She is at a place called Southwest Wildlife Conservation Center in Scottsdale Arizona. She will most likely become their ambassador dog and they are very pleased to have her. It seems they haven't met a coyote like her before and they have told me that we obviously had her best interest at heart as we raised her. I agree. She was not in distress and loves people. The public will have a chance to meet her and learn more about these fascinating dogs.

I haven't had an update from them in a couple of weeks and I'm getting a bit antsy. She had to be quarantined, get her shots and get spayed. They had to spend some time with her to see what she is like and they are looking for a pal for her to live with. A male. The last word was they were preparing an enclosure for her. I hope to learn more soon. My neighbor is going down to see her in a couple of weeks so we'll have a report and more pictures soon.

I am standing by to volunteer my time and tractor as needed when they further their development. This is an ongoing, long term commitment on my part and theirs.

I'm encouraging everyone that has reason to be in the area to make a point of stopping in and meeting her. Please do! Pet her and talk to her a bit and you'll find the magic of meeting a coyote in a non threatening situation. Wow!. How often can we do that? She has impressed the folks there with her desire to climb up in their laps and go for walks with them. She seems perfectly healthy and happy, but needing more room than the original cramped quarters she initially had for quarantine.

If there is anything true about coyotes, it's that they are survivors. She is durable and determined. She makes the most out of every moment and is making new friends with people and other dogs.

Now, with her time here done and the concerns about her relieved, our neighbors are expressing their feelings about the whole deal. Some are just curious, some miss her and some know it was a once in a lifetime experience to meet her and get to know her. Letters and photos are coming to us. People are bragging that they met her. Word has spread a long way. At one time I was trying to keep it under wraps and quell the concerns, now I'm enjoying the interaction and viewpoints. I'm struggling to put it all into words so others can understand something they've never known.

Sandy has done a lot with helping the lives of the song dogs. Many now hear them differently in the night. Maybe with a bit more curiosity and a bit less anxiety, knowing a real personality is attached to that song.

Stay in touch and visit her if you get the chance!

Here's a picture of Sandy and her friend Herbert
 

Attachments

  • DSC01793.jpg
    DSC01793.jpg
    52.9 KB · Views: 398
Last edited:
/ Found a coyote, I think #273  
John,


Thanks for the update. Although i have never met Sandy, through your words I feel a connection, and I too have been missing her. I am anxiously looking forward to when your current project is complete, mark me down for a copy or two!
 
/ Found a coyote, I think #274  
Thanks for the update. You've had a truly wonderful experience and your ability to convey what happened is really appreciated. BTW, if i was the cat in your picture, id be a little worried. :)
 
/ Found a coyote, I think #275  
Thanks John, I know you will figure out how you want to put it to paper, and with your writing skills it should make a good book. I am looking forward to any updates you may get, I know alot of others here are checking to see if any have surfaced. Sandy will have a full life there and meet a lot of new people to marvel with her antics, we wish her the best of luck.
Hang in there things will even out and get make to some what normal.

Randy
 
/ Found a coyote, I think #276  
Thanks John, I know you will figure out how you want to put it to paper, and with your writing skills it should make a good book. I am looking forward to any updates you may get, I know alot of others here are checking to see if any have surfaced. Sandy will have a full life there and meet a lot of new people to marvel with her antics, we wish her the best of luck.
Hang in there things will even out and get back to some what normal.

Randy
 
/ Found a coyote, I think #279  
"The richness of life is not quite the same."

Every time I have lost a close pet, I feel this way. But you have not lost her, she is that house guest that has moved on. I know it's tough on y'all, but I say go see her and get more involved with the sanctuary. She has adapted much better than you have, so writing and "doing" will ease you mind.


Mace, a movie, eh...? Hmmm, I wonder where they would find a Raspy double?;)
 
/ Found a coyote, I think
  • Thread Starter
#280  
"The richness of life is not quite the same."

Every time I have lost a close pet, I feel this way. But you have not lost her, she is that house guest that has moved on. I know it's tough on y'all, but I say go see her and get more involved with the sanctuary. She has adapted much better than you have, so writing and "doing" will ease you mind.


Mace, a movie, eh...? Hmmm, I wonder where they would find a Raspy double?;)


You have a great way of putting things. We're fine, and thankful for the fantastic experience. We really learned a lot and had a lot of fun, but I won't do it again. We're very glad to be out from under the responsibility and pressure of finding a good solution for her.

I just got another note and picture from the sanctuary this morning. She now has her own enclosure and they are starting her on clicker training. She looks more mature and very healthy.

Should I start looking for my double? :laughing:

Cheers!
 

Attachments

  • DSC02055.jpg
    DSC02055.jpg
    60.6 KB · Views: 310

Marketplace Items

2013 Chevrolet Traverse SUV (A61569)
2013 Chevrolet...
Dodge Charger (A56859)
Dodge Charger (A56859)
New/Unused Landhonor 11ft x 19ft Carport with Open Side Walls (A61166)
New/Unused...
2006 Isuzu NPR-HD Crew Cab Landscape Dump Truck (A61568)
2006 Isuzu NPR-HD...
2023 WRANGLER 5500T ARTICULATED WHEEL LOADER (A58214)
2023 WRANGLER...
SKID STEER ATTACHMENT (A58214)
SKID STEER...
 
Top