Found a coyote, I think

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Just read the entire thread, what an adventure.
 
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Mace I haven't heard anything from John lately he was pretty busy. I haven't got any pictures from Southwest of Sandy in a while.

Randy
 
/ Found a coyote, I think #565  
Mace I haven't heard anything from John lately he was pretty busy. I haven't got any pictures from Southwest of Sandy in a while. Randy
Ah... Hoping to hear or see a current pic of a thriving Sandy. Do post when you have something!
 
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Good to hear from you guys!

Here are a couple of Facebook posts about Sandy. Rain comments and her new friend, Shorty. Read the comments below the rain video from Gao Zi and Southwest's response. Not much new to report beyond this, but at least we know she is doing well.

After living the good life with us and her best friend Bei Bei, she had to move away, go through quarantine and then live by herself for two years. But she now has a pal. She has lived a life far different than other coyotes, but has remained very healthy, mentally stable, curious, alert and friendly. Now she has been given a gift. A loving friend of her own kind, to live with. Liye and I have been wanting this since she arrived at Southwest.

I've mentioned this before and it still rings true; the cacophony of wild conversation at Southwest is impressive! Comical. Telling. Loud, raucous and free spirited. Sandy is right in there with her opinion too.

When she arrived at Southwest, she immediately became close friends with Herbert, a wonderful dog that lived there. They played and schemed. Sandy really didn't need to be caged much since she was no threat, and Herbert had free run of the place. They could play inside the building, or Herbert could visit her occasionally in her enclosure. But he had heart problems and didn't last long. After Sandy settled into her enclosure, a wild coyote began to visit her on the other side of the fence. No physical contact, but they could visit. Sometimes Sandy would let him stay and sometimes she would run him off. Not sure how she would do that. It was thought that she had gone into heat as Southwest did not spay her immediately and by that time she was approaching a year old.

Sandy is so honest, loving, fun and engaging, that we can't help but love her and want the best for her. She lives a much more precarious life than a "regular" dog. We continue to watch, learn, support and hope for the best, from the sidelines. It remains difficult to have such a powerful friendship that must be enjoyed from a distance, and from behind barriers. At once, the very best we could ever hope for, be so grateful for and yet be so limited.

There will be more updates soon.


https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=716936015029018

Southwest Wildlife Conservation Center : Wild Family : Wild Family - Shorty the Coyote
 
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/ Found a coyote, I think #568  
Look up Dayton Hyde's Don Coyote. He has written a series of books about taming, raising, and living with coyotes.

The guy who did my drywall bought a coyote pup and raised her as a dog until she came into heat. Then she took off. I'd think if you spayed the pup early, it might live well and long as a family pet.

We have wild coyotes around our tree farm and they do a great job on the mice and do no damage.
 
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Raspy, nice to hear Sandy is doing well. Thanks for the update
 
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John, great update. Thanks!
 
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Look up Dayton Hyde's Don Coyote. He has written a series of books about taming, raising, and living with coyotes.

The guy who did my drywall bought a coyote pup and raised her as a dog until she came into heat. Then she took off. I'd think if you spayed the pup early, it might live well and long as a family pet.

We have wild coyotes around our tree farm and they do a great job on the mice and do no damage.

Thanks for the link. I just ordered the book.
 
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Thanks John for sharing, I hadn't caught anything about Shorty and Sandy! It is good that she has a friend to keep her company!

Randy
 
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Dragoneggs If I catch a picture or hear anything about Sandy I will check to see if Raspy has posted then I will post what I have found.
 
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Dragoneggs If I catch a picture or hear anything about Sandy I will check to see if Raspy has posted then I will post what I have found.
Please. You know I have a soft spot for Sandy, personally having a Coy-Shepard mix rescued from the wild and in the family for many years!
 
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Look up Dayton Hyde's Don Coyote. He has written a series of books about taming, raising, and living with coyotes.

The guy who did my drywall bought a coyote pup and raised her as a dog until she came into heat. Then she took off. I'd think if you spayed the pup early, it might live well and long as a family pet.

We have wild coyotes around our tree farm and they do a great job on the mice and do no damage.

Thanks Rod!!

I bought the book and read it cover to cover.

Previously, during this thread, I kept asking "what is the difference between a coyote and a dog?" This book really shows how coyotes are affected by their upbringing. The author is very compassionate and raises three groups of two from the same litter. The first group was taken from their mom at just a few days, the second after their eyes were open, about 10-14 days in, and the last two were left with their mom. There was one female in the first group, and like Sandy, she became a close companion. He obtained the parents from a zoo and was able to keep them in an enclosure for the test.

There is also a wild one that he develops a relationship with.

With Sandy we only had the experience for five months and she was only one dog, so we can't draw any broad conclusions. The most interesting thing about her was her intellectual and emotional interaction with us, as well as learning about her hardwired behaviors. She sought us out, played tricks on us, understood what we were doing and wanted to be with us. She would ride happily for hours in the car, play endlessly with me out on the porch, wait patiently for us to get up in the morning to start the fun and initiate games of her design. She could also be indifferent, like a cat, and simply observe us as we looked for her and called. This is where I'm wondering how much of what we saw was simply hardwired behavior that we understood and liked vs. a true friendship where both parties reach out and seek the others interaction. Are they really as smart, fun and curious as it seems, or are they just wired such that they seem like it?

They are pack animals and want to be together at least some of the time. They are very curious and can plan ahead. They hunt and play together, etc. But they don't seem to want to please people as indicated by both Sandy and the ones in the book. Are they actually trying to interact with us or just hardwired to play with anyone or any animal that is around, as hunting practice? My best guess is smart, curious and independent. That seems to sum it up best.

An interesting example is that Sandy appeared to be housebroken. Never a problem in the car, truck or in the house. But was she really? Coyotes don't pee where they sleep or in their dens. It's a hardwired thing, not training or to please us.

In the end, maybe they will all eventually be wild and live with their own kind out in the open, regardless of their upbringing. And maybe while they are growing to that point of maturity, they are a bit harder to live with than a domestic dog. More wary. More independent.

It may turn out that they can be captivating friends and extremely interesting in their behavior. An emissary from the wild. Funny. Vulnerable. A fascinating dog that isn't quite what we'd expect from a dog. A relationship that cannot last and one that cannot be forgotten.

If I find myself out walking in the high desert and I hear a squeak from a helpless little pup, and I know what a fun dog that could turn out to be, and I'm concerned about her little life as she tries to hold on waiting for her mom, what will I do? In Sandy's case, she never stopped being vulnerable until she finally reached Southwest. She has never stopped enhancing everyones life around her. But maybe, the next time, I'll wander on and hope her mom is waiting for me to pass so she can retrieve her pup and raise her to become that beautiful song in the night. A thriving, wild, joyous adult, running with her pals. If I do wander on and leave her fate in someone else's hands or paws, I'll always wonder what happened.
 
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Thanks Randy Great story to bad John and Sandy were not as lucky to stay together
 
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Randy,

Nice find!! Thank you.

I want to followup on this and see how the story develops.

BTW, Sandy and Shorty are doing very well living together and being featured on Southwest's tours.

I'm also wondering if anyone has read the book Don Coyote that was mentioned earlier?

John
 

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