Foreign Travel?

   / Foreign Travel? #101  
Another thing for Ultra to consider, is how much will you regret if you do not go? We had an opportunity to attend a wedding in Taiwan in November of 2019. Some coworkers went but we did not since we had a vacation planned for April 2020. We should have gone to the wedding. In hindsight of course.
 
   / Foreign Travel? #102  
I went to the Philippines for business many many times. All was fine. Had local company folks as escorts.

The last 5 years I was required to take along a Corporate security person for safety.

Manila should be just fine.

I always had a trusted driver. I don’t suggest driving yourself.

We were 100% prohibited to go Sulu or Mindanao.

Have fun.

I live in St. Louis. I’ve lived here almost my entire life. Never had a problem. But - if you google STL you would think it’s a war zone.

I also went to Mexico City often. We had an armored car and many guards. The local Mexicans laughed at us and asked what we drove in STL and how many guards. Then showed us articles saying STL was the most dangerous city in the USA.

It’s all relative.
 
   / Foreign Travel? #103  
I used to drive daily thru some of the worst neighborhoods in Philly, more than once getting home to turn on the news, and find I'd just missed driving thru a shooting by less than 30 minutes. I was a poor student, with a total POS car, and so I never worried about standing out.

I'd have more trouble pulling off the same today in Philly, let alone the Philippines.
 
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#104  
I went to the Philippines for business many many times. All was fine. Had local company folks as escorts.

The last 5 years I was required to take along a Corporate security person for safety.

Manila should be just fine.

I always had a trusted driver. I don’t suggest driving yourself.

We were 100% prohibited to go Sulu or Mindanao.

Have fun.

I live in St. Louis. I’ve lived here almost my entire life. Never had a problem. But - if you google STL you would think it’s a war zone.

I also went to Mexico City often. We had an armored car and many guards. The local Mexicans laughed at us and asked what we drove in STL and how many guards. Then showed us articles saying STL was the most dangerous city in the USA.

It’s all relative.
Mindanao is destination out in the province at the base of Mt Apo.

Growing up in East Oakland my thought is how would the Philippines be worse?

It’s true kidnapping here almost unheard of and so far no chopping of heads…risk of getting shot in Oakland is a different matter.
 
   / Foreign Travel? #105  
Another source of information can be YouTube. I get far more relevant information on YoutTube about current events than most of the main stream media. One just has to find the right channels and know how to sniff out the valid comments vs trash comments. The comments often have as much or better information than the video itself.

After I started posting about the Philippines, I started getting YouTube videos about the country. Oddly, many were about finding a wife..... :)

I suspect there are discussions about what is happening in Mindanao.
 
   / Foreign Travel? #106  
Ultra,
I think going with some locals would be a pretty safe option. But, if the worry over your safety is going to override the enjoyment of the trip, then I'd bow out.

I'll tell a story:
Years ago, the CEO of the company I worked for asked me to come to his office. Our company had sold some oil and gas equipment that was to be installed in Algeria and the customer (Kellog, Brown and Root) wanted someone to oversee the installation. The CEO gave me the customer contact info, so I could find out the details and decide if I was comfortable going and he would stand by my decision to go or stay.

When I contacted the State Department, they had a level 3 and 4 which is reconsider travel or do not travel. So, I contacted KBR for the details. It seems that they were flying people in and out of the site all the time and they had a charter flight from Paris that went straight to Hassi Messaoud, bypassing Algiers. You then transferred to a twin otter and flew straight to the gas plant. I ended up working out a deal where I met up with a "returnee" in Paris and he was my escort for the trip. It actually turned out to be a really memorable trip. When the twin otter landed on the dirt strip at the site, you were greeted with a jeep with a M-60 mounted on top as they ushered you quickly off the plane into a waiting van. The van then raced to a secured compound, that was like a POW camp style, with a double fence and a guard tower at each corner. There I was security briefed on the do's and don'ts, including what to do in the event of gunfire, what buildings were hardened etc.

I ended up making 2 trips to that site. On the first trip, I brought the bare essentials, consisting of just clothes and a set of construction drawings. On that trip, I realized how impressive KBR was as a logistics company. This was in the early 2000's when the Bush administration was catching flak for no-bid contracts to Bechtel and KBR. I now understand why they were awarded no-bids, the folks at KBR could get you anything from a 1/4 x 20 screw to a 747 airliner with a phone call and their folks at all levels were the most organized and proficient I've ever worked with in my career.

A few days before my second trip to the site, I got a crackly phone call from the guys at the site. They had some items they wanted me to bring that included AA/AAA batteries, flashlights, chips and salsa, margarita mix and tequila. I told them I was a little leery to try to bring alcohol into a Muslim country, but the KBR guys told me to place a bunch of company swag on top of my bag (company hats, pens, flashlights etc.) as I went through customs in Hassi Messaoud and I'd sail right threw. Having worked with these guys and trusting them, I took a chance and they were right. The custom guy's eyes lit up as he started trying on the hats and stuffing the other swag in his pockets, sending my bag unchecked down the line. Breaking or challenging the rules, however, is not something I'd recommend.

The purpose of the story is that if you have someone that you trust, who knows the place and the risks, then they would be the best source to gauge your safety.
 
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#107  
Another source of information can be YouTube. I get far more relevant information on YoutTube about current events than most of the main stream media. One just has to find the right channels and know how to sniff out the valid comments vs trash comments. The comments often have as much or better information than the video itself.

After I started posting about the Philippines, I started getting YouTube videos about the country. Oddly, many were about finding a wife..... :)

I suspect there are discussions about what is happening in Mindanao.
Several on YouTube have replied saying no issues and all we’re traveling with locals.
 
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#108  
Ultra,
I think going with some locals would be a pretty safe option. But, if the worry over your safety is going to override the enjoyment of the trip, then I'd bow out.

I'll tell a story:
Years ago, the CEO of the company I worked for asked me to come to his office. Our company had sold some oil and gas equipment that was to be installed in Algeria and the customer (Kellog, Brown and Root) wanted someone to oversee the installation. The CEO gave me the customer contact info, so I could find out the details and decide if I was comfortable going and he would stand by my decision to go or stay.

When I contacted the State Department, they had a level 3 and 4 which is reconsider travel or do not travel. So, I contacted KBR for the details. It seems that they were flying people in and out of the site all the time and they had a charter flight from Paris that went straight to Hassi Messaoud, bypassing Algiers. You then transferred to a twin otter and flew straight to the gas plant. I ended up working out a deal where I met up with a "returnee" in Paris and he was my escort for the trip. It actually turned out to be a really memorable trip. When the twin otter landed on the dirt strip at the site, you were greeted with a jeep with a M-60 mounted on top as they ushered you quickly off the plane into a waiting van. The van then raced to a secured compound, that was like a POW camp style, with a double fence and a guard tower at each corner. There I was security briefed on the do's and don'ts, including what to do in the event of gunfire, what buildings were hardened etc.

I ended up making 2 trips to that site. On the first trip, I brought the bare essentials, consisting of just clothes and a set of construction drawings. On that trip, I realized how impressive KBR was as a logistics company. This was in the early 2000's when the Bush administration was catching flak for no-bid contracts to Bechtel and KBR. I now understand why they were awarded no-bids, the folks at KBR could get you anything from a 1/4 x 20 screw to a 747 airliner with a phone call and their folks at all levels were the most organized and proficient I've ever worked with in my career.

A few days before my second trip to the site, I got a crackly phone call from the guys at the site. They had some items they wanted me to bring that included AA/AAA batteries, flashlights, chips and salsa, margarita mix and tequila. I told them I was a little leery to try to bring alcohol into a Muslim country, but the KBR guys told me to place a bunch of company swag on top of my bag (company hats, pens, flashlights etc.) as I went through customs in Hassi Messaoud and I'd sail right threw. Having worked with these guys and trusting them, I took a chance and they were right. The custom guy's eyes lit up as he started trying on the hats and stuffing the other swag in his pockets, sending my bag unchecked down the line. Breaking or challenging the rules, however, is not something I'd recommend.

The purpose of the story is that if you have someone that you trust, who knows the place and the risks, then they would be the best source to gauge your safety.
My neighbor and mentor was an Industrial Gas plant super intendant who was retiring as the family that owned the sites had decided to sell after the founder died.

He oversaw the dismantling and crating of the entire gas plant.

The buyer was so impressed my friend was offered 4 years salary and all expenses for 6 months work to oversee the foreign assembly.

My friend had many clearances from the military and state department regarding industrial gas applications on Nuclear Submarines and Carriers.

His wife said no way, never going to happen… this is our time.

The country that bought the plant was Iraq and it was 2 years before the Gulf War…
 
   / Foreign Travel? #109  
His wife said no way, never going to happen… this is our time.

The country that bought the plant was Iraq and it was 2 years before the Gulf War…
A really cool tidbit about the gas plant I was at in Algeria:
There were key workers and contractors from all over the world, Scotland, Spain, France, Texas etc.

A number of the workers at the site arranged between themselves to "swap kids" back home, so their children could experience a different culture for a few weeks during the summer. Some kids from Spain went to stay with a worker's wife and kids in TX for 2 weeks, afterward, the Texan kids then went to Spain to stay at the other family's house for 2 weeks. Really cool experience for those kids.
 
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#110  
A really cool tidbit about the gas plant I was at in Algeria:
There were key workers and contractors from all over the world, Scotland, Spain, France, Texas etc.

A number of the workers at the site arranged between themselves to "swap kids" back home, so their children could experience a different culture for a few weeks during the summer. Some kids from Spain went to stay with a worker's wife and kids in TX for 2 weeks, afterward, the Texan kids then went to Spain to stay at the other family's house for 2 weeks. Really cool experience for those kids.
The only time I have seen that is with Bechtel employees... they were always hosting exchange kids and the employee I knew had kids that saw a lot of the world.

Don't hear much about Bechtel here but at one time it was the zenith and SF based... building railways, highways, dams, powerplants, ships, pipelines, airports, urban transit, etc...
 
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