Ford Super Duty

[Dmace]

There are two types of Ford 6.0l diesel owners, those who have had a major breakdown and those who are going to have a major breakdown.

I highly doubt any of those engines have hit 200K without any major problems.

 

[Diamondpilot]

Chris,
Have you read thru the truck and trailer forums on The Hull Truth? Up until last year I defended the 6.0 engines and never had a problem. Now with two 6.0's an '03 F250 6.0 and a '05 F550 6.0 I can say I have experienced some of the grief I have read about. Meanwhile the three 7.3 trucks I have have never had problems. The '05 had to have a shortblock at 24,000 miles.

I do not doubt there were not trucks that had issues but it got blow way out of proportion, just like the accelerator issue with Toyota. I can say like I did before that out of the 12 or so I know of only 1 had issues. None had a tranny or drive line failure. The numbers of success are far better than the GM or Dodge's of the same era in my circle of friends and associates.

Chris

 

[careyo63]

My 01 F-250 Gasser with alittle over 98000 has only hit the shop 1 time. Vibration in the drive shaft. My dealer had it corrected in no time under warrenty.After thinking hard about it I may have been the culprit. I got my boat and trailer hung during a bad drought year at the ramp and bent the axle snatching it out.:ashamed:
Carey

 

[Dargo]

There are two types of Ford 6.0l diesel owners, those who have had a major breakdown and those who are going to have a major breakdown.

I highly doubt any of those engines have hit 200K without any major problems.

Sorry, but spoken like a true internet reader. I had an oil leak, small but there, on the '06 I bought a couple of years ago. A Ford certified diesel master mechanic is who confirmed what I experienced; the 7.3 was a so-so engine but nothing special. A 5.9 Cummins would last about twice as long as a 7.3 PSD. From everything I've heard, at 250k the 7.3 PSD is about done. Ford even bragged about them being a 250k engine. I wouldn't give 5k for that truck.

I drove a 12v Cummins for almost 10 years and loved it but everything else on the truck was getting old and I was getting up there in miles. I'm not one who would hop in a 250k mile pickup and tow a trailer 500 miles. Not me. After 2 years not only has my 6.0 PSD been trouble free, but I have it running extremely strong. Still, no issues. The 7.3 PSD I had was constantly costing me bucks to keep it together. I felt like I needed to just keep a glovebox full of those camshaft sensors and injectors. I gave up on keeping it from leaking everywhere after it crossed 100k miles.

Two friends bought GM Dribblemax engine powered pickups at the same time I bought my '06 PSD pickup. They've both had far, far more problems than I. One is in for a transmission overhaul on his Allison! I'm far, far happier with my decision going with the 6.0 PSD.

However, what you said is actually true; true for every single engine ever produced. None will last forever. My opinion is that the Cummins engine will outlast both the GM and Ford engines by a factor of 2X. Still, being that I like the looks, ride, drive and comfort of the Ford far more than I do the GM or Dodge offering, I opted to drive what I like and not what bloggers blog about. I took my engine advice from a guy who has worked on 6.0 PSD engines every single work day of his life for the last 7 years and in his free time races and pulls with a 6.0 PSD Ford. Like I said, IMHO, the Cummins will last the longest, but that's relative. I'll never drive a pickup with 500k miles on it; ever. With my '06 PSD pulling loads anywhere from 15k to 20k about 50% of the time it's driven, I'll be thrilled to death if I get to 200k with no problems. It's a given I'll get there with no additional costs because it's under warranty that long.

Anyway, I wouldn't touch that quarter million mile pickup for anywhere close to 10k. The body and interior may be nice, but the powertrain and suspension are done unless they've all been replaced. I go to auctions all the time. I'd be shocked if they paid any more than $5500 tops for that pickup.

 

[jayste]

One of my trucks is a 1999 SD F250 with 7.3 PSD and 6 spd manual shift that I bought new. It has 253,000 miles on it and has been a very good truck. My first repair on it was a kind of strange thing. I had to replace one injector and a wiring harness for the injectors. Garage said the harness was the initial problem and messed up the injector. A water pump replaced, only one altenator so far, 2 sets of batteries (always do both at same time), upper ball joint on drivers side seems to be a nagging thing (2 so far and one on passenger side), slave cylinder for clutch and the one "little" nagging thing is the sorry little bushing (not one of Fords "better ideas") that is within the connection of the clutch arm (under dash) and the piston that works the hydraulic clutch mechanism. I've seen the cost of that little thing go from 5 to $10 in 11 yrs. Oh yes, Dargo reminded me of the CPS issue. Cam position sensor went out before the recall. I haven't pursued a reimbursement but have considered taking mine in for a new one.

 

[scotty088]

I have owned Ford Diesel trucks since 1990,I currently own a 2007 with the 6.0.I started with the 7.3 normally aspirated,I added the A.T.S turbo system,this up date was a day and night improvement.updated to the 7.3 powerstroke in 96.This also was a vast improvement.I have been extremely pleased with the performance and reliability of the 6.0. only problem was a minor oil leak repaired by local Ford dealership.I was reluctant of the 6.0 after hearing of all the horror storys.I have been following the progress on the new Powerstroke I'm very impressed with the clean slate design and all the real world testing and through training of the mechanics and techs before the release of this vehicle.I would'nt hessatate to put my hard earned money down on a new Superduty:thumbsup:
Scotty

 

[jenkinsph]

One of my trucks is a 1999 SD F250 with 7.3 PSD and 6 spd manual shift that I bought new. It has 253,000 miles on it and has been a very good truck. My first repair on it was a kind of strange thing. I had to replace one injector and a wiring harness for the injectors. Garage said the harness was the initial problem and messed up the injector. A water pump replaced, only one altenator so far, 2 sets of batteries (always do both at same time), upper ball joint on drivers side seems to be a nagging thing (2 so far and one on passenger side), slave cylinder for clutch and the one "little" nagging thing is the sorry little bushing (not one of Fords "better ideas") that is within the connection of the clutch arm (under dash) and the piston that works the hydraulic clutch mechanism. I've seen the cost of that little thing go from 5 to $10 in 11 yrs. Oh yes, Dargo reminded me of the CPS issue. Cam position sensor went out before the recall. I haven't pursued a reimbursement but have considered taking mine in for a new one.

One of the few problems with the 7.3 motors is the wiring harness for the injectors. I think they had this cured by the 2002 models. The service manager at my local dealership mentioned this to me.

 

[scoutcub]

There are two types of Ford 6.0l diesel owners, those who have had a major breakdown and those who are going to have a major breakdown.

I highly doubt any of those engines have hit 200K without any major problems.

Not only do these type of useless and ignorant comments lower the value of the thread, they also lower the credibility of this poster. If you hate Ford trucks or PSD's so much, why even log onto this thread?

BTW, I love Cummins engines. I have one in my dozer. I just don't want my pickup sounding like a dozer.....:laughing:

 

[Soundguy]

I've been told the psd's sound like a freight train ( by my mother.. )

soundguy

 

[scoutcub]

I've been told the psd's sound like a freight train ( by my mother.. )

soundguy

LOL....I've been meaning to get one of those absurdly loud train horns for my F350!

 

[Soundguy]

I wouldn't mind an air horn for my f450.. but not as a replacement.. only as an addition. i could mount it behind my scoop, and still use the truck horn, and then use the air horn 'as needed'

soundguy

 

[Ryan03]

Since 7.3 oil leaks were mentioned, I snapped a couple pics with my phone of a 7.3psd high pressure pump and high pressure line replacement I did today. This job was on a 7.3 in a IH 4700 low pro chassis. The only difference is the low pro power steering pump mounts above the high pressure pump and drives off of the high pressure pump drive gear in the front cover, where a pickup does not have this power steering pump provision and the fuel filter housing resides here instead.

The first pic is the valley after the old high pressure pump was removed. you can see all the oil in the engine valley due to the old pump leaking.

The second pic is the reman high pressure pump on the bench after I already installed the IPR and IPR coil, which are the gold anodized items on the pump.

The third pic is the high pressure pump bolted on the engine , the IPR harness is hooked up, but the high pressure oil lines are not, as you can see the two quick connect ports side by side

The fourth is the high pressur oil pump drive gear bolt and washer. This holds the drive gear to the pump shaft, and must be removed through the two bolt inspection cover in the engine front cover directly inline with the high pressure pump. The drive gear stays in the front cover when you remove the pump. Be very careful putting this bolt back in, as it would be very easy to drop the washer off the bolt and down into the front cover. If that happens get ready to yank the engine.

On a 6.0, this pump is also in the valley, and shares many of the same features, it is not interchangable with a 7.3 pump and it is in the back of the valley under the Turbocharger. According to IH, this was done to reduce audible noise outside of the truck.

AS for the op's original question. I would pass on it, just to many miles. Diesel or not, everything else is probably worn out from the window regulators and seat motors right down to the door hinges and latches, not to mention wheel bearings, diffs Tcase etc.

 

[Ken45101]

Depending on the load, an F250 might you might be putting too much weight on the rear axle.

We had a 2002 F250 SD. It did well until we bought a new gooseneck horsetrailer with living quarters (14,000 GVW). We were 300# overweight on the truck rear axle without water or horses!) I could feel some sway in the rear end even on gentle curves. We had to upgrade to a dually (C3500). Stability improved immensely and safety was better.

I also pull a 14,000 gooseneck equipment trailer (tractor, skid steer, mini ex) with it and it does fine, no stability issues.

If you load up your equipment such that much weight goes on the truck axle, I think you will be overloaded with a F250.

Oh, the F250 PULLED the trailer fine. But I'd hate to have a tire blow while going down the road!

Ken

 

[Dargo]

AS for the op's original question. I would pass on it, just to many miles. Diesel or not, everything else is probably worn out from the window regulators and seat motors right down to the door hinges and latches, not to mention wheel bearings, diffs Tcase etc.

That's really my point and why I said I'd never drive around a pickup with that many miles. At times I need to hook onto my trailer and tow a heavy load 1000 miles. No chance I'm going to do that with a pickup truck that has a quarter million miles or more on it. I'm sure some have. Good for them. It's just not something I'll do. If it's a semi, that's a different story.

 

[KB9UDE]

That's really my point and why I said I'd never drive around a pickup with that many miles. At times I need to hook onto my trailer and tow a heavy load 1000 miles. No chance I'm going to do that with a pickup truck that has a quarter million miles or more on it. I'm sure some have. Good for them. It's just not something I'll do. If it's a semi, that's a different story.

AS for the op's original question. I would pass on it, just to many miles. Diesel or not, everything else is probably worn out from the window regulators and seat motors right down to the door hinges and latches, not to mention wheel bearings, diffs Tcase etc.

Thanks guys...I have decided to look for a lower milage truck.

 

[Diamondpilot]

Thanks guys...I have decided to look for a lower milage truck.

Smart move. Buying used is usually buying someone else's problems. The more miles the more problems.

Chris

 

[Egon]

That's really my point and why I said I'd never drive around a pickup with that many miles. At times I need to hook onto my trailer and tow a heavy load 1000 miles. No chance I'm going to do that with a pickup truck that has a quarter million miles or more on it. I'm sure some have.

One of the Local RV dealers had a 97 Dodge with almost 800,000 K on it.

My old 96 has 230,000K on it. It's done quite a bit of towing and usually has a camper on it.

On the outside the "Paint Job" has pealed and in places has had some Tremclad applied. Looks like a Paint Pony. The running gear, steering components and brakes are all brand new in the last several years. A little spot of rust on one front fender and the drivers seat is getting worn.

According to the shop it goes to its been costing me .09 cents a mile for tires and repairs. That comes in much cheaper than a new truck!

The meager income has stated that there will be no replacement for a while.

Oh, did I say it was a Dodge!:laughing:

 

[Dargo]

One of the Local RV dealers had a 97 Dodge with almost 800,000 K on it.

My old 96 has 230,000K on it. It's done quite a bit of towing and usually has a camper on it.

On the outside the "Paint Job" has pealed and in places has had some Tremclad applied. Looks like a Paint Pony. The running gear, steering components and brakes are all brand new in the last several years. A little spot of rust on one front fender and the drivers seat is getting worn.

According to the shop it goes to its been costing me .09 cents a mile for tires and repairs. That comes in much cheaper than a new truck!

The meager income has stated that there will be no replacement for a while.

Oh, did I say it was a Dodge!:laughing:

As I mentioned, some do. I've mentioned several times before that a salvage yard only 2 miles from my home has sold several 5.9 Cummins engines out of Dodge trucks with close to a million miles on them; and has gotten good money out of them. I just play the odds. With all the thousands of parts that go into a pickup truck, with a few hundred thousand miles on it, you know several parts are at their life's end. Which part? A door handle? No big deal. A rear axle? Problem. Radiator? Problem. With my danged arthritis in my hips from when I broke them decades ago in a motorcycle racing accident, I really don't like walking long distances if I don't have to. Funny how those "healed" injuries come back and get you later in life...

 

[Ken45101]

I just play the odds. With all the thousands of parts that go into a pickup truck, with a few hundred thousand miles on it, you know several parts are at their life's end. Which part? A door handle? No big deal. A rear axle? Problem. Radiator? Problem.

I think with modern vehicles, it's not the major components, it's the small sophisticated ones! We had a '96 Blazer. Fuel pump went out. $600 for the pump alone! Brakes were not acting right, possibly the ABS controller, $1300 parts alone The drive train was fine, but heck you could replace an engine for the cost of the fuel pump and ABS controller.

Ken

 

[Soundguy]

abs controller in my 00 'government motor corporation' yukon was 800$.. what a pita!

soundguy