Ford 3000 Fan

[Loafy]

I am new to this board and have been lloking through all of the posts and all I can say is WOW! This is bar none the best tractor oriented board I have run across. I look forward to reading more but first I have a question of my own that I'm sure you guys and gals can help with.

I have a ford 3000 and the fan bearings are shot. The fan still moves but makes a LOT of bad sounding noise and I can move it about 1/4 inch with my fingers. I know it needs to be replaced but it looks like it will be more complicated that I want to tackle. I don't see how it will come off without removing all of the radiator and front end.

Can anyone give me an idea of how much a repair like this will run me? I will be calling the dealer later in the week but just wanted an idea before I got "sticker shock" from him!

Thanks in advance!

 

[RickB]

If you have a 3000 general purpose model without a loader the best way to replace the water pump is to remove the hood, cowl and radiator first. This is a good time to clean the radiator core (external), replace the hoses and fan belt. We need to remember this tractor is between 27 and 37 years old, and the hardware may not cooperate well during this repair. I would say 2-4 hours should be adequate for this repair, hopefully around 2.5 to 3 if all goes well. Labor costs vary, so you can plug in your local rate.

 

[Loafy]

I was afraid that the front would have to come off. Well, I knew it would actually. The tractor is just the plain ole model with no loader or anything. I has had remarkable few problems up till this point.

I am fairly mechanical but I do not have a lot of tools or a real good work space. I dont have much other than a good set of sockets and wrenches and I do not have a manuel for the tractor. The only thing I have done to the tractor besides oil and filter changes is change out the exhaust amafolf from an out the botton unit to an out the top one. It wa sreally easy. Would this repair be something that I might undertake in the driveway or should I just take it in to the dealer. Are there any "special" tools needed to do the repair?

Lots of questions but this is the best place I know to get good answers. Thanks again

 

[cj7]

Have you ever change one on an older car?
If so you would fine with the tractor. I would also recomend that the thermostat be replaced if it has one.

Also if you do this yourself, keep the antifreeze away from the children and pets.

Where are you from?

 

[Loafy]

I live in SouthEast Georgia. Town called Swainsboro.

I have never changed a water pump previously but I "know" how its done. One concern that I have is that there is play in the fan and a bad noise but I have no leak. Is there anyway that the fan could be worn out (bearnings) and not have a problem with the pump?

Even if the pump is good it would seem like a waste to not replace it and the hoses while I was in there. It has not ever been worked on so I know that they should need replacing.

 

[cj7]

hmmm...

to the best of my knowledge most fans are just bolted to the shaft of the water pump. so the bearings and the play the you feel are from inside the pump. if it is giving you alot of noise replace it soon or the bearings will get hot and lock up. then you can overheat the motor. replacing a water pump is not all that hard, take your time. maybe you have a buddy that woks on cars that can help you out. Invest in an I&T service bok for your tractor. It should have a section that outlines the steps in replacing the pump.
You New Holland dealer (i assume you will be buying the parts there) should be able to help you out too.

If you have more questions please ask. You can e-mail me if you like.

I have an L2500 Kubota and a bunch of jeeps I take of....

 

[Loafy]

Thanks for the info cj7. I will be going by to buy a service manuel this afternoon. I just wanted to make sure that what I was thinking was correct and that there would not be any "suprises" more than the ones I expect. Guess it is just time for me to realize that an engine is an engine weather it be in a tractor or car!

 

[jinman]

Loafy, I bought a Ford Jubilee from an experienced tractor mechanic a few years ago. Before I took delivery, the deal was that he would replace the water pump. While removing the pump, a wrench slipped and he ended up jamming it into the radiator. Do I need to go on? Anyway, he ended up having to remove the radiator and solder up the hole. In my opinion, removing the radiator is the preferred method. RickB is correct in his advice. A clean cooling system can add a lot of life to your older tractor. You can fix it correctly once or have it be a ongoing problem. Good luck!

 

[Loafy]

Jinman..... I believe in doing it right or not doing it at all. Thats why I usually have all of my stuuf serviced by a dealer. However, money is tighter than usual at this time so i want to save a few bucks.... but not at the expense of not fixing the tractor correctly.

I picked up a service manuel yesterday and the disasembly looks as straight forward as I had hoped so I will start on it this weekend! Hopefully I wont be putting any wrenches through any radiators!

 

[cj7]

I also thik it is wise to pull the rad and take it to a rad shop. Have it clened and tested. Usually about $30-$40 around here. New hoses and thermostate, new fluid. Should be as good as new.

 

[Loafy]

Good idea CJ7, will do!

Thanks some more

 

[Loafy]

Well, just in case anyone is interested.... I pulled the front end off my tracor on Saturday. Everything went well and there were no suprizes!!!! Got the radiator off and old water pump and MAN.... I don't know how that thing was even turning. The bearings were gone, as in fell out long ago. But there was no leak from the waterpump. Why???

Well, the radiator was completely shot. It was clogged completely up and would not flow any water. The anifreeze that was still in there aparently just sloshed back and forth between the pump and lower hose. It did have about 1 gallon of water in it to slosh!

Its a wonder that the tractor did not overheat and throw a rod or something! Just got lucky I guess. Glad I was able to talk the folks into letting me work on it!

Now I have a new waterpump, thermostat, top and bottom radiator hoses, belt, and after this afternoon radiator.

Just wanted to say thanks to the guys that sort of help talk me into doing the work myself instead of hireing it out. It was much more rewarding.... and cheaper!

 

[tiltbed]

Glad you got the 3000 up and running...I have a 3000 gas,pump has a little play in it....doesn`t over heat while working,but i`ll replace it for P.M....only problem i have is that i`ll have to do it with the radiator on...i have an Allied fel...No way do i want to try n remove the loader...augggghhhh......let ya know if it can be done...lol...Sid

 

[Loafy]

Would not want to do it without the front sheet metal and radiator removed!... Its gonna be a lot of sqeezing grunting cussing and bleeding but with a good asortment of tools and a lot of patience you may come out ok...

Best of luck

 

[cj7]

If you choose not to remove the rad. Be very careful that you do not put a hole in it. I did this once on a pick-up. The wrench slipped and just touched the rad (so I thought).

I later had a nice little hole. Had to pull the rad anyway! LOL

 

[cj7]

Happy to hear the project is going well. You shure did save some money.

 

[tiltbed]

CJ if i had my rathers i would rather r&r the radiator.but as stated the allied loader set up is a "*****" to r&r.the 3000 gas has a bitsey pump...clearance seems not to bad...have the Budweiser after completed..lol...thanks, Sid

 

[Loafy]

One other thing that I did not mention was abou the radiator itself. I thougt it was not going to be reusable because it was VERY corroded inside but I was wrong. I took it to a local Radiator repair shop and he cleaned it in an acid bath and them pressure trested it. Said that it showed minimal flow problems and would be good to go for another decade or so.

Cost me $55 which is a LOT better than the $278 that the dealer quoted for a new one!

I also changed my mind about being able to do the pump repair without taking the thing apart. Don't know how you can do the repair without removing the radiator or at least the fan shroud to get to the fan to unbolt it.
That is If the gas and deisel versions are about the same...

 

[tiltbed]

After hanging upside down,litterly..me an my cuz decided that we can pull pump and fan as a unit...mebe....early spring project before planting time...which i hope to have the Kioti by then.. Sid