Ford 101 Plow Operation?

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Eric_Phillips said:
Thanks for all the help. I got about 4 acres done this afternoon, another 4 to do tomorrow. One thing I noticed is in the softer sandy loam and muck the plow would go deep, in the harder stuff that had some clay I was barely cutting the sod off the top. I will try running the top link a little shorter to see if I can get it to bite into the harder stuff. I am pretty impressed with my little 27hp CUT pulling a farily well tuned 3 bottom plow with worn shears. I know I am not getting quite a full cut with the first bottom but it is not worth me trying to change my filled tires to get the exact right spacing. I will post some pictures soon since I know no one will believe that I was actually plowing with a 27hp CUT and a 3 bottom plow.

Eric
Can't help but ask this: Is it as dry at your location as it is here in VA?? If so, it's too darn dry to plow. We always plowed in the late fall (Oct into early Nov, --if I remember correctly). Usually we get a decent amount of rain/moistrue in early Oct (August is always dry as all get out....) Even with worn points if the ground is right you can plow reasonably well, but since you don't have to have it done right now, wait till you get some rain, let it set for a couple of days and then try again. You've had some good info in this thread, but I still think you need to drop your rear bottom and do the rest with a 2 bottom. I think you'll find its a much easier "row to hoe...." BobG in VA
 
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BobG,
It hasn't been too bad around here for moisture. When I was disking there was one area where it was packing up in the disks. We have had the stragest weather this year. July was hot and muggy and August had been cool and dry. We are getting a good soaking these past couple of days. Maybe I should give the hard pack areas another go later this week.

Eric
 
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intel,
you dug up an old one didn't you? :)
We never did get those pictures of the 27 hp CUT pulling this three bottom plow did we.
 
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intel,
you dug up an old one didn't you? :)
We never did get those pictures of the 27 hp CUT pulling this three bottom plow did we.

Ok, after many years I am being shamed into posting pictures :) I thought I had some pictures of the pasture after plowing but I can't find them. I need to do another plot this fall I will try to get more pics then.
 

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Ok, after many years I am being shamed into posting pictures :) I thought I had some pictures of the pasture after plowing but I can't find them. I need to do another plot this fall I will try to get more pics then.

Out of curiousity, how deep are you plowing?
 
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Out of curiousity, how deep are you plowing?

I never actually measured it but I think I was down about 5-6". There were some areas that were softer than others and in those I had to pull the plow up or it would bury itself. Needless to say those 27 horses couldn't pull it that low.
 
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Have a Ford 3 f plow. Replaced the points on it but am having major problems with the furrows not flipping over in damp soil. Have set up the plow as suggested with the left side of tractor on a block and leveling the plow. Have tried driving faster-no luck.The furrow will flip over if I plow quite deep but because soil is damp I want to only plow approx 5-6" deep. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.g
 
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Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.g

You shouldn't plow wet soil, it won't roll and slide of you plow as you are more than likely seeing. I would ideally be plowing deeper as well.
 
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Thanks Moonracer
 
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Have a Ford 3 f plow. Replaced the points on it but am having major problems with the furrows not flipping over in damp soil. Have set up the plow as suggested with the left side of tractor on a block and leveling the plow. Have tried driving faster-no luck.The furrow will flip over if I plow quite deep but because soil is damp I want to only plow approx 5-6" deep. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.g

You mention it being a 3-bottom plow.....What width bottoms?

As a rule of thumb, many (including Ford 101 bottoms) are generally designed to be operated at a depth of 1/2 their width. (ie 12" bottoms, 6" deep. 14" bottoms, 7" deep, ect...) You can get away with a slight variation from that rule, but not by much. (Of course, conditions can dictate the final "best depth") "Back in the day" most plow manufacturers offered options such as "semi-deep draft" and deep draft bottoms for plowing deeper than that "1/2 the width" rule. Staying relatively close to "spec" is MOST critical when plowing sod.


The moldboards found on the majority of Ford 101 plows were designed to plow at speeds of (between) 4 to 5 mph. Faster (by a small bit) is better than slower in this case.

Also, plows need to operate at correct plane.. (level front to rear/side to side) If the plow is used with the slightest "nose down attitude", they'll tend to bob up and down, (porpoise) not roll the furrow slice correctly, and pull with quite a bit more resistence. The point being "nose down" will suck the plow into the ground farther, then a combination of factors (properly working draft control, traction available, soil structure, ect,) will result in the plow raising to a shallower operating depth. Inconsistant depth will result in changing results as far as consistancy of how the furrow slice rolls....

Look at different brands of plow....The moldboards will have SOME difference in contour, but generally speaking, plows of different brands, yet from the same era usually have a shape that is close to the same. (with John Deere moldboards showing the MOST variation from other brands....Deere plow I've used in the past weren't exceptionally gifted at plowing sod....My experience with them is they only roll sod about 90 degrees, leaving it on edge, unless you plow at break-neck speeds)) There is a narrow "window" of what works and what doesn't work so well. With a plow running (even slightly) "nose down", you throw the plow bottom's geometry off (in effect, RAISING the rear end of the moldboard relative to the leading edge of the plow) . The results may vary slightly, but you'll usually see the negative results in the form of a furrow slice that doesn't roll correctly.

Most "American" style plows weren't designed to flip dirt 180 degrees. They were actually designed to turn dirt about 125/130 degrees. In soils of decent tilth, it will turn well at those angles, usually burying surface trash. In sod, you'll get an incomplete burying of the "green". Once upon a time, plows were sold with bottoms (as an option) that were intended to plow in existing sod. They are somewhat different shape than a standard duty bottom. Adding "cover boards" (aka "trash boards") to a plow will net much better results in sod OR in conditions where there's a good deal of surface trash (ie crop residue)

And finally, there's times where plows just don't do a consistant job of rolling dirt. THat's generally a result of soil conditions, what sort of root mass that sod hands you, and soil moisture. Wet, heavy soils just don't plow well in all instances.

I hope SOMETHING here helps.... You may just be a victim of "soil circumstances". Bottom line is, play around with depth, leveling adjustments, and speed. Note changes and apply them for best overall results. And keep in mind plowing is as much a "black art" as it is a skill. Takes practice......and experience
 
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Digging up this old thread....

Anyone mount a depth wheel on a 101? My D17 is snap coupler but I am using the Allis 3 point adapter as I have failed to find a AC SC plow around here. Came across this 101 plow so I decided to get it. Can't keep it from burying itself! So I decided to mount a depth wheel on it but need a good design.
 
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Digging up this old thread....

Anyone mount a depth wheel on a 101? My D17 is snap coupler but I am using the Allis 3 point adapter as I have failed to find a AC SC plow around here. Came across this 101 plow so I decided to get it. Can't keep it from burying itself! So I decided to mount a depth wheel on it but need a good design.

The burying problem is likely an adjustment issue. The Ford 101 should run perfectly. Can't say I've heard complaints before and 80 years (or so) of operation would bring any problem to light.

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I am thinking that the Allis 3 point rides lower and since it would not have draft control, it is allowing the plow to run deep. I agree and have helped by adjusting the plow to run as shallow as I can but it is hard to have it be consistent. I see a lot of draft wheels being used on plows so this seems like the best way for it to follow the contour at the right depth.
 
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Yep, you need a depth wheel. I scrounged thru the hundreds of pics I have but none of a plow with depth wheel sorry.
 
 
 
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