Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation

[walhondingMF]

I like saving money.

I like alternate routes, too, in case there is a problem one way, another way would be viable.

I like alternative energy options...

 

[KilroyJC]

It was not domestic oil. It is Canadian oil from tar sands pits. IIRC it was already sold to China. The only American involvement was to transport and refine the oil. Meanwhile, forcing a pipeline through the lands of people that didn't want it.

Well, any comments I want to make about what in Canada has been sold to China would get me put in TBN Timeout, as would comments about how many did/didn’t want it and why.

 

[walhondingMF]

Either way, the oil and the XL pipeline were not going to make American more energy dependent or bring gas prices down. It was simply going to make the pipeline company and the refinery more money.
It was going to run through private property that did not want it.

 

[wawajake]

Either way, the oil and the XL pipeline were not going to make American more energy dependent or bring gas prices down. It was simply going to make the pipeline company and the refinery more money.
It was going to run through private property that did not want it.

It would of decreased USA need to import oil from South American countries where irresponsible means are used.......whereas Canada is a much cleaner responsible provider and is a neighbor and friend that billions of dollars of trade are consistently counted on between both our countries.

 

[KilroyJC]

Either way, the oil and the XL pipeline were not going to make American more energy dependent or bring gas prices down. It was simply going to make the pipeline company and the refinery more money.
It was going to run through private property that did not want it.

*independent*

America is definitely more energy dependent than it was two+ years ago, and the cancellation of the pipeline is only one small piece of a large pie of anti-domestic energy policies that also have not brought energy prices down.

 

[MossRoad]

It would of decreased USA need to import oil from South American countries where irresponsible means are used.......whereas Canada is a much cleaner responsible provider and is a neighbor and friend that billions of dollars of trade are consistently counted on between both our countries.

Nope. It was going from Canadian oil sands to refineries on the gulf coast and exported on the open market.

 

[KilroyJC]

Nope. It was going from Canadian oil sands to refineries on the gulf coast and exported on the open market.

Increasing the amount of product on a Market reduces prices.

 

[bvanek]

Either way, the oil and the XL pipeline were not going to make American more energy dependent or bring gas prices down. It was simply going to make the pipeline company and the refinery more money.

Logistic costs get passed on to the consumer.....More regional supply = lower costs......everything we do here to promote domestic logistics reduces costs.

Here's what we know as outsiders; The deal that was made with oil companies (the America first administration) by modifying some ridiculous environmental regulations and also eliminating the anchors of the bureaucratic process all designed to keep domestic pricing down. Profitability was up front with plenty of domestic oil and gas. Filling up our reserve at lower prices then selling the excess oil at OPEC prices. LNG to Europe......Just exactly what an American business should do when they partner with it's people, invest in their own natural resources and let the trickle down economics float everyone's boat, big and small. Everyone wins....except China OPEC and the green new deal.

add; TC looked at the pipeline as an investment so possibly the future may have included a sale (of the US portion of the existing structure and imminent domain property) hopefully to US oil and gas companies or refineries? Canada was already headlong into green,...so a plan "B" was likely on the table. They have already stated this, so I didn't make this up. The new trade agreement for North America gave the US a more even playing field......and there were oil and gas fields already producing in the north central US................ 2 1/2 years ago The future looked bright for cheap US energy and a thriving economy.....what do you suppose happened?

 

[Hay Dude]

And you anti-Keystone guys think that pipeline meant nothing to American jobs building it? I don’t care if sand was going through it, great paying American jobs to build and maintain it were lost forever. How dose anyone KNOW we wouldn’t use any of the oil that flowed through there??? How do we know the building of it wouldn’t create new use of the oils that flow through it? Maybe the pipeline would have attracted a new oil refining business?

Stop with the BS that America would derive ”no benefit”. We would have gotten numerous benefits and possibly more.

 

[wawajake]

Nope. It was going from Canadian oil sands to refineries on the gulf coast and exported on the open market.

Depends .....Under the right President the USA would of figured out the need to be as much energy independent as possible, ( countries like Germany found out the hard way) having pipelines from always friendly countries like Canada gives the USA reliable efficient safer energy.