FarmTrac Troubles

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Published April 04, 2008 10:48 am -

Farmtrac battling dealers in cyberspace


Bob Bendetti
Staff Writer
The Daily Southerner, Tarboro, NC - Farmtrac battling dealers in cyberspace

For 902 Farmtrac tractors, it appears to be a case of "abracadabra, disappear ... abracadabra, reappear."


At approximately 10:40 a.m. Eastern Time on Tuesday, that's what happened to a LewPack International Web site offering three Tarboro properties full of Farmtrac agricultural hardware it vanished into cyberspace.

A bevy of custom built two-wheelers from Fort Worth, Texas-based IronHorse Motorcycles also disappeared from the LewPack site.

Farmtrac and IronHorse Motorcycles were financially troubled firms and both were bankrolled by Textron Financial of Alpharetta, Ga. Textron is the primary secured creditor to Farmtrac.

Both were present for one moment and gone the next.

The online clearance Web site comes three months after financially embattled Farmtrac North America (FNA) closed its doors to employees to reorganize. It is also more than 180 days behind on its debt of more than $14 million to Textron.

Attorney Jim Marrow of Tarboro assumed duty Feb. 27 as the Edgecombe County court-appointed receiver to ensure payment of debt to creditors. In essence, Marrow acts as the owner of Farmtrac. Part of his job is to repair the company's reputation and prevent it from perishing.

When asked about the offering through LewPack International, Marrow claimed having no prior knowledge but learned of it through faxes and e-mails from Farmtrac retailers across the country.

In further conversation Tuesday, the receiver attributed LewPack's online setup attempt to a "miscommunication" between two undisclosed parties that was resolved through a phone conversation.

"They were contacted and the Web page is no longer in service," Marrow said.

LewPack's Farmtrac sales page, lewpackinternational.com/tractors.html, was in full operation until shortly after The Daily Southerner had gone to press Wednesday.

LewPack International partner Bobby Pack, of Cummings, Ga., stated that he and Richard Lewis established the Web site "less than one month ago" for the express intent of "disposing of that property." The company was registered with the Georgia Secretary of State on Mar. 25.

On Thursday, a Web site for Country Boys Auction & Realty of Washington, N.C., listed an Apr. 25 auction of Farmtrac tractors and related hardware it claims is "primarily to dispose of a large amount of surplus ... approximately 25-30 tractors" that are for test, yard, experimental and prototype purposes."

According to the Country Boys Auction & Realty Web site, it is family-owned and operated by Mike and Doug Gurkins.

Doug Gurkins, hired by Marrow in late February to spearhead the project of sorting through years of bookkeeping and hardware inventory issues, leads a barebones administrative staff of 12 at the Farmtrac headquarters building on 111 Fairview Street to wade though a sea of backdated paperwork and "get a good picture of what's here."



More than a dozen photos on the Country Boys Auction site give a picture of numerous tractors, front end loaders, tractor motors, tires and a stream of miscellaneous parts are up for auction.


For dealers across the nation who are scraping for parts and often give them - and installation labor away in an effort to satisfy customers inconvenienced by the Farmtrac headquarters January closing, the auction smacks especially hard.

"We sure could use those parts," a Farmtrac retailer based in the southeast U.S. said. "When we (dealers) do so much to keep our customers faith and then see something like this ... It just doesn't seem right."

There are nearly 300 Farmtrac dealerships across the U.S. and Canada, plus three different properties (production and storage) in Tarboro.

Marrow has contended that he'd do everything possible to restore the six-decade tractor firm to old form and said that rapidly selling the tractors at "fire sale prices" is "an unenviable and last option."

E-mails and phone calls from retailers have questioned the hiring of Gurkins, a veteran liquidator and personal property appraiser and auction service co-owner to assist Marrow in resuscitating Farmtrac.

One dealer said, "what a coincidence" while another cited the move as a "conflict of interest."

In past conversations, Marrow said he saw the acquisition of Gurkins as part of a plan to attract a buyer. "He (Gurkins) is a high energy guy ... who is experienced at property and real estate evaluation ... and knows how to maximize value."

There are approximately 700 partly-assembled and 250 completed tractors on Farmtrac locations in Tarboro.

For numerous reasons, the lack of a tractor warranty program is a large and essential obstacle that must be conquered if the firm has any chance to be successful.

"It could be the difference between failure and success" of retaining dealers and customers, Marrow said.

Negotiations are under way and Marrow as "two or three" potential third-party tractor warranty and maintenance companies, one which could be approved "within seven to 10 days."

Marrow also stressed that quick actions are also critical.

"I'm aware many people are hurt in this ... and that we've got to act quickly. We will lose a lot of brand value if we let it linger," Marrow said 殿nd the selling season is ending rapidly

On Jan. 18, the Fairview Street location was closed and approximately 180 workers were sent home while company leadership regrouped. The workers are still in limbo and under temporary layoff.

The workers, presently on temporary layoff, are allowed to collect unemployment without being required to seek out new work. Once displaced workers take on a permanent layoff status, they become eligible for federal re-training and back-to-school programs. It is a wait that, depending upon Farmtrac, could last for up to 24 weeks.
 
/ FarmTrac Troubles #562  
The pressure is working. Keep up the good job boys!!!!!!!!!
 
/ FarmTrac Troubles #563  
Concerning Bobby Pack and Richard Lewis, it may not be the same, but http://www.spa.ga.gov/employees/ga_directory_07.pdf lists men with the same names as being a part of the Georgia governor's office...


There was a question or comment concerning Montana's wanting to by Universal's % of Beaver Creek. Not only that, but Montana looked into buying the whole Universal tractor factory so they would have their own manufacturing facilities. ARGO (Landini/McCormick) had an agreement in place in 2003 to by Universal (UTB), but it fell through. In 2005, Mahindra was going to buy it, but that deal fell through, too. Flavius Invest bought UTB, then in 2007, Sonalika (of India) said they want to buy it. Haven't seen anything since.
 
/ FarmTrac Troubles #564  
Ok, so Lewpack is hired to liquidate new inventory into foreign markets and Gurkins is hired to liquidate everything else?
 
/ FarmTrac Troubles #565  
dgl24087 said:
Ok, so Lewpack is hired to liquidate new inventory into foreign markets and Gurkins is hired to liquidate everything else?

Lewpack to liquidate 900 new tractors in tarboro to outside of North America; Gurkin to sell everything else in tarboro. We still have the tractors at all the dealers lots to do.....?
 
/ FarmTrac Troubles #566  
SESS said:
Lewpack to liquidate 900 new tractors in tarboro to outside of North America; Gurkin to sell everything else in tarboro. We still have the tractors at all the dealers lots to do.....?


From what I can tell the dealer that was here that went out, Textron is going after him. Even after they took the tractors back. I think that is a bad deal all the way around if you ask me. Looks like you are hit either way you go. If I find out some more info from him I will let you all know. Plus I am going to email this forum to him to get him involved with the current news.
 
/ FarmTrac Troubles #567  
country69 said:
Published April 04, 2008 10:48 am -

Farmtrac battling dealers in cyberspace

Bob Bendetti
Staff Writer
The Daily Southerner, Tarboro, NC - Farmtrac battling dealers in cyberspace

For 902 Farmtrac tractors, it appears to be a case of "abracadabra, disappear ... abracadabra, reappear."

At approximately 10:40 a.m. Eastern Time on Tuesday, that's what happened to a LewPack International Web site offering three Tarboro properties full of Farmtrac agricultural hardware it vanished into cyberspace.
I wonder if it would be a good idea to write Bendetti and encourage him to follow this thread. Surely it would give him lots of ideas for things to check out, and his access might bring to light stuff that is helpful to the owners and dealers on here. Comments?

And on a related note - I did a little searching hoping to find a financial columnist in India following this story, but all I saw was years-old stories about Escort's acquisitions and mergers etc. Has anyone seen any other primary press coverage aside from the Daily Southerner?
 
/ FarmTrac Troubles #568  
WOW!!!!!!! The day is almost over and we have not been kicked by the "man" yet. This could be a good day.

Case
 
/ FarmTrac Troubles #569  
rascoil said:
From what I can tell the dealer that was here that went out, Textron is going after him. Even after they took the tractors back.
Whoa! I just read that again. Worst possible case - I hope it doesn't happen - is that Textron will put the dealer's tractors through one of these liquidators' disposals. Maybe sell it on the same day as the other 900 tractors. Then Texron credits the dealer with what the liquidator sends them (net after fee), and takes out costs such as what they paid to repo-man for mileage, storage, and his fee to go fetch the thing.

Then they send this dealer a bill for the difference between the original invoice cost he agreed to pay, and the small amount recovered net after liquidation.

Somebody tell me why this can't happen. Brrr.
 
/ FarmTrac Troubles #570  
case1570 said:
WOW!!!!!!! The day is almost over and we have not been kicked by the "man" yet. This could be a good day.

Case
Not to be a wet blanket, but likely a sign "they" (whomever "they" may be) have learned they need to operate in the shadows. At least for awhile. When things happen, the reaction/response time will be shorter. Things are likely being put into motion now that won't become evident until action is imminent and reaction time is very short.
 
/ FarmTrac Troubles #571  
California said:
I wonder if it would be a good idea to write Bendetti and encourage him to follow this thread. Surely it would give him lots of ideas for things to check out, and his access might bring to light stuff that is helpful to the owners and dealers on here. Comments?

I'm willing to bet that he has already found it. If you look at his "quotes from dealers" in the article, they appear to be pulled from posts directly on this board. That would also explain why he doesn't identify the "dealers" providing the quotes, or many other sources in the article.
 
/ FarmTrac Troubles #572  
Being an old man,I've only got one thing to say to them."" I'm a senior citizen,"NOW WHERE IS MY __D*#M_DISCOUNT???:mad: :mad: :mad:
 
/ FarmTrac Troubles #573  
California said:
Whoa! I just read that again. Worst possible case - I hope it doesn't happen - is that Textron will put the dealer's tractors through one of these liquidators' disposals. Maybe sell it on the same day as the other 900 tractors. Then Texron credits the dealer with what the liquidator sends them (net after fee), and takes out costs such as what they paid to repo-man for mileage, storage, and his fee to go fetch the thing.

Then they send this dealer a bill for the difference between the original invoice cost he agreed to pay, and the small amount recovered net after liquidation.

Somebody tell me why this can't happen. Brrr.


From what I can tell this is what has happened to him. They will sell of the tractors and stick him with the original amount less the fees. The word fees covers allot of ground, also in a negative way for the dealer. I guess they would treat it just like a auto repo. With all the bells and whistles. I wonder how many folks really did read there entire contract. I read things twice now and some times keep it over night and read it again. They know just how to fall in that gray area to keep big business safe from the little fish and out of court. This needs to be brought to public attention as much as possible. It needs to make it to the main stream media. A news network need to get a hold on this story. :mad:
 
/ FarmTrac Troubles #574  
As told by Harold Reid of the Statler Brothres during their final concert; (Paraphrased)

A Rabbi, a Hindu Holy Man and a Lawyer were on the road late one evening, and decided they needed a place to stay. They stopped at a local farmer's house...(If you're expecting a farmer's daughter joke,stop reading). The farmer welcomes them to stay, but said that only two could stay in the house--one would have to stay in the barn. The Rabbi volunteers, and goes to the barn. A few minutes later, there's a knock at the door. The Rabbi explains that there's a pig in the barn, and he cannot sleep under the same roof as a pig.
The Hindu volunteers to go to the barn. A few minutes pass, when there's another knock at the door. The Hindu says there's a cow in the barn, and he cannot sleep in the same area as a cow.

The lawyer says he'll spend the night in the barn, and leaves. A few minutes later, another knock. When the door is opened, there stands the cow and Pig.

Kinda sums it up for me. LOL
And thanks to all for your digging and reporting. Keep up the good work. The dealers could have come out of this looking like the bad guys. If nothing else this will clear the good names of them. I know it doesn't replace money lost but you can't buy a good name. This long long thread is like a book. We're in the chapter where the snakes are being seen now. You see snakes ,you gather sticks,stones and what ever to take the head off the snake. I just hope all you dealers come out of this strong enough to pick up another line of tractor and continue to serve your areas well, with a good product that you can stand behind. When this is over it may serve each of you well to take the facts, put them together and have your local news paper or TV station run the highlights and show who forced what on who. Dedicated customers and dealers will still support each other as long as the customers know the truth. So keep that in mind. We all get knocked off our feet as we go through life. It ain't over till it's over though.

I'll keep reading as events progress. Thanks
 
/ FarmTrac Troubles #575  
Right On charolais! GREAT post----Taxpayer
 
/ FarmTrac Troubles #576  
Charolais said:
As told by Harold Reid of the Statler Brothres during their final concert; (Paraphrased)

A Rabbi, a Hindu Holy Man and a Lawyer were on the road late one evening, and decided they needed a place to stay. They stopped at a local farmer's house...(If you're expecting a farmer's daughter joke,stop reading). The farmer welcomes them to stay, but said that only two could stay in the house--one would have to stay in the barn. The Rabbi volunteers, and goes to the barn. A few minutes later, there's a knock at the door. The Rabbi explains that there's a pig in the barn, and he cannot sleep under the same roof as a pig.
The Hindu volunteers to go to the barn. A few minutes pass, when there's another knock at the door. The Hindu says there's a cow in the barn, and he cannot sleep in the same area as a cow.

The lawyer says he'll spend the night in the barn, and leaves. A few minutes later, another knock. When the door is opened, there stands the cow and Pig.

Kinda sums it up for me. LOL
And thanks to all for your digging and reporting. Keep up the good work. The dealers could have come out of this looking like the bad guys. If nothing else this will clear the good names of them. I know it doesn't replace money lost but you can't buy a good name. This long long thread is like a book. We're in the chapter where the snakes are being seen now. You see snakes ,you gather sticks,stones and what ever to take the head off the snake. I just hope all you dealers come out of this strong enough to pick up another line of tractor and continue to serve your areas well, with a good product that you can stand behind. When this is over it may serve each of you well to take the facts, put them together and have your local news paper or TV station run the highlights and show who forced what on who. Dedicated customers and dealers will still support each other as long as the customers know the truth. So keep that in mind. We all get knocked off our feet as we go through life. It ain't over till it's over though.

I'll keep reading as events progress. Thanks



That is the best post I have read in a long time. You are dead one right. Customers will stand by a dealer when they know for a fact who is telling them the truth. You know these dealers are the local back bone of small communities and are big contributors to the economy of small towns. Every one just needs to make a little more noise. One thing I know is if you move to the center of the wheel you get allot of grease and a better ride. Until times like these when we need some grease to calm us down. Keep on a yelling and sooner or later some one will step up and do the right thing. I know movie stars do good with bad publicity but Industry don't fare so well. Plus greedy folks don't do so well in court when the truth is out. We the consumer will be the jury.
 
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taxpayer said:
Right On charolais! GREAT post----Taxpayer

Thanks. Just tried to put it in words like I see it. I did borrow the first part but thought it was fitting for the week.

Rascoil I'm sure glad you got your engine. I like your style. You are a man of action.

I'm working on a trade with my dealer now. Looking at trading in my 2610 Long for a Agrofarm 85. He started stocking the Deutz Fahr back in Jan. Going to keep my Farmtrac 80 and looking forward to his great support as always. He's the kinda guy that could sleep in the barn and the pig and cow wouldn't mind it. LOL Don't know how he'd feel about it though. LOL We've been dealing for 11 years now and as long as he's got something on the lot I need I'll keep showing up. I guess if it's a pretty cow or pig? Oh my I shouldn't have written that. LOL

If he reads this we'll be talking about a cow and a pig before tractors next time. LOL
 
/ FarmTrac Troubles #578  
"And thanks to all for your digging and reporting. Keep up the good work. The dealers could have come out of this looking like the bad guys. If nothing else this will clear the good names of them. I know it doesn't replace money lost but you can't buy a good name."-Charolais

I like your whole post, but I like these lines the most. But your absolutely correct-all of this we have been through doesn't replace the money lost, but WE cannot buy a good name. That has been my biggest problem through this all. We put our dealership name on every tractor that goes out, new or used. We send followup letters to every customer that purchases a tractor. We give them our home, cell and office numbers to call with any questions they have. People trust us because we did them good and we did the Farmtrac line good too. Just really gets you in the stomach to see your good name possibly tarnished. Always know-you remember the bad, alot longer than you remember the good. Thats wrong, but its true.

Now lets all have a good weekend 'cause there ain't no telling what next week will bring!:eek:
 
/ FarmTrac Troubles #579  
Lets try to bring a few things into perspective.
#1 The dealers are being represented by some of the best lawyers and associations out there. They have some good fire to bring in against the powers that be. They may seem to be quiet at this point but so far things are being taken care of by an OUTSTANDING group of people on this site. They will bring in what needs to be brought in, when it is time. Yes there are limitations to what they can legally do but I am very optimistic.
#2 The best way to hurt a rich man is to take away his riches or title/position. How? Let your suppliers know about other companies. Companies that can replace the corporations that are not playing fair. Find financing yourself, if you pay your bills, local banks will work with you, then you can take cash discounts. This will also make your supplier happier (and more profitable) along with the ability to sell more for less. If other companies could see how we have hung in under these terrible circumstances, with nothing but sucker punches, I think they would love to work with such a set of dealers. If you must stay where you are, ask to work with other individuals. Take their position, these guys usually have nothing but a title (very sad)
#3 Lets try to get the facts out to an even bigger media source, The "Southerner" has been a great asset but we need to, along with them, see if we can get nationwide attention. The "Inventory loading" would make a great national story. So many people have CUT's that it would generate great interest. The only problem with this, it may mean complete brand destruction. Not sure on this point. Please help me out.
It has been stated by others but thanks to everyone and please keep digging deeper.
Case
 
/ FarmTrac Troubles #580  
taxpayer said:
Another thing that should be of interest to Farmtrac dealers is a listing with Lewpack international of 900 new farmtrac tractors for sale.this can be found at LEWPACKINTERNATIONAL - Turnkey Inventory Management or just google lewpack. the only place I can think of that would have this amount of farmtrac inventory would be the farmtrac plant in tarboro. at first I thought the indians might have placed this listing with lewpack,but I noticed another listing of motorcycles. I checked and found that this was the inventory of American Ironhorse motorcycles. a company and it's dealers that are in similar situation as the farmtrac dealers and that Textron also holds the paper on,I rather suspect Textron placed this listing with lewpack.the ad states the price of these tractors will be well below dealer cost,which make it very difficult if not impossible for the dealers to sell the tractors on their yard.it seems to me it would be only fair for the dealers to be offered this same discount.how about some feedback on this.
It seems like a very long time since when,at 9:32am on march,31,2008 ,the Lewpack site was brought to everyone's attention on this thread by the above.I am humbled and grateful by the response generated. by your response,you have brought hope where there was only despair in many homes across the nation.to lose our livehoods would be heartbreaking,to lose our good Names UNSPEAKABLE.when good people join together to protect what we hold dear.Those who would destroy them,will find,the losses they will surely sustain be more that they had ever imaginged.I personally feel,it would wise for those in power,to stop thinking about how much money,they save for their side and start thinking about doing whats right for all of us.STAND FIRM---Taxpayer
 

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