FarmTrac Troubles

   / FarmTrac Troubles #1,711  
If you own a Farmtrac tractor I suspect your dealer is going to have to find a new supplier or you will have to find a different dealer to deal with. If you are a ex Farmtrac dealer I think you got screwed, but life goes on, if you want to continue being a tractor dealer find a new supplier that you are comfortable dealing with big company that manufactures and has an exec somewhere, or a smaller company that distributes with people you know. Your choice. Excerpted from Gary

Gary it's not that easy. The big companies are trying to reduce the number of dealerships. I don't know why. They say it costs to much. But remember this when you go into a dealership the dealer paid for the real estate and the utilities and all the tools and parts that and all the other expenses. I suspect and I have heard said that if you want a JD dealership now they ask you how many stores you will have. If the answer is 1, 2 or 3 they will not discuss your having a dealership. Years back (maybe 20-25) I considered having a Ford dealership. Ford said I had to have 1.8 million dollars unencumbered capital to be considered for a dealership. I thought if I had that kind of money the last thing I would buy with it would be a job. So you see one reason the Farmtrac dealers are trying so hard to hang on to their lively hood. They are small and don't have the possibility of a big name franchise. Another problem is until the existing inventory on the ex-Farmtrac dealers lots is gone the ex-Farmtrac dealer is considered a bad credit risk. Textron's account is hanging over their heads like the "Sword of Damacles". Always waiting to drop. these people have lived under the stress of these conditions for over a year now. Nothing they can do about it. Why not sell the tractors and be done with it? Tractors in the smaller sizes aren't selling well now. One attorney who has looked at the Textron dealer agreement says if you sell the tractor for less than the invoice cost you are breaking the Textron agreement. Some of us who had money in the bank went ahead and sold (you have to have money to pay the difference between what Textron wants and the invoice amount). So nothing is easy enough that someone who hasn't lived it will suddenly come up with an answer.
 
   / FarmTrac Troubles #1,712  
Don't buy a tractor from the 3rd Tier brands. The commitment these companies make to their customers and dealers is shallow. Spend 20 minutes on Google and you can find an easy dozen stories of companies who imported machines and went belly up. I don't know what people expect... you buy a Tool at Harbor Freight and expect junk, but you buy knockoff tractors and expect what?! Just because its a more expensive purchase does not imply stability, support, good engineering, etc that has been proven by the major venders.

Those tractors in the photo look like Kubotas. When I was a young dealer we turned down Kubota because they looked like a third or less tier tractor. We already had the Long which would sell then whereas the dealers who had Kubota were having trouble getting rid of them. Times change.
 
   / FarmTrac Troubles #1,713  
Those tractors in the photo look like Kubotas. When I was a young dealer we turned down Kubota because they looked like a third or less tier tractor. We already had the Long which would sell then whereas the dealers who had Kubota were having trouble getting rid of them. Times change.

Are GM,Ford, and Chrysler 3rd tier companies are they just lying and wanting some money for nothing????----PLANE RIDE???!!!----you get what you pay for----i want my money back!!!!!!!!!
 
   / FarmTrac Troubles #1,714  
Hey All,

4) How do we as consumers protect ourselves? How? If warranties are meaningless and parts can disappear - what are we to do? Well one possibility I suggested in another thread (which nobody has responded to) is having access to the data that actually shows who uses what parts in building tractors so that we can get parts from another tractor brand by knowing this info. Who has and updates that data - consumers need it for self protection. If it's unavailable - bout time for a law!


-Ed-

Above is a partial quote.
Ed there is an article on Wikipedia that gives just what you are looking for. I don't just now remember the name of the article. But i'm sure if you search wikipedia for tractor it will come up.
 
   / FarmTrac Troubles #1,715  
Hey All,

Blue... - those articles on FarmTrac were very interesting. They lead one to wonder

Just who did Textron have a financing deal with. Dealers individually? Escorts? Escorts on behalf of dealers? Who? What does the fine print say? Apparently not Dealers as credit limits were ignored and tractors delivered. Apparently not just Escorts as dealers are liable financially. If it was with Escorts on behalf of dealers then doesn't that leave dealers holding the financial bag if they have no control over their inventory levels and credit limits are ignored? Then either Textron is "taking advantage" of a situation to force financial liability onto dealers or they maybe believed Escorts propaganda about tractor sales, ability to pay, etc and were also hoodwinked. The question is simply - did they know? Escorts apparently simply raided the company - virtually no doubt in my mind. How much of what they did is actually illegal I've no idea but they certainly did not embrace the idea of being in the tractor business long term.

My belief is that corporations have too much power in this world just like they did before Teddy Rooseveldt started smashin them. They are running ahead of the law in their global dealings. It is a tremendous financial opportunity to play governments against each other, to engage in dealings designed for just short term profit, to use national boundaries to their advantage, etc. But it is unethical and does not put people first. Some would argue that it is government's job to rein them in as their job is to make money. Maybe so but government isn't doing their job - in fact they've done just the opposite with deregulation. Course who owns government? Big business of course. Who suffers - the little man with no voice - except on Tractorbynet.

As for protecting the consumer - I think knowledge is power. The ability to find your parts elsewhere is important. There are many good mechanics around for most things. Longtrman - I found a list of who manufacturers who on wicki which is a start.

I grew up on Ford, Farmall (IH), Case with the odd MM and even one Deere. Both my grandparents and a couple of my uncles all mechaniced their own equipment (tractors, combines, balers, thrashin machines, the whole works) just as my father until too old mechaniced his highway tractor trailers (unless on the road). When I was a kid one time we were traveling for Thanksgiving. Half way there (400 mile trip) the engine threatened to throw a rod - knocking like mad. Drove 10 miles SLOW into a town. A service station owner let my stepfather use his tools and went and got a parts guys to open his store so my stepfather could get parts and my stepfather replaced rods and bearings (he knew mechanicin too) while we waited. It was an old IH Travelall with a straight 6. Without dealer support at reasonable costs America is going to have to go back to this way of functioning. I don't think it would necessarily be a bad thing - and I won't buy anything that looks too complicated under the hood.

-Ed-
 
   / FarmTrac Troubles #1,716  
EasyEd-

"Just who did Textron have a financing deal with. Dealers individually? Escorts? Escorts on behalf of dealers? Who? What does the fine print say? Apparently not Dealers as credit limits were ignored and tractors delivered. Apparently not just Escorts as dealers are liable financially. If it was with Escorts on behalf of dealers then doesn't that leave dealers holding the financial bag if they have no control over their inventory levels and credit limits are ignored? Then either Textron is "taking advantage" of a situation to force financial liability onto dealers or they maybe believed Escorts propaganda about tractor sales, ability to pay, etc and were also hoodwinked. The question is simply - did they know? Escorts apparently simply raided the company - virtually no doubt in my mind. How much of what they did is actually illegal I've no idea but they certainly did not embrace the idea of being in the tractor business long term."



DING, DING, DING lights are flashing BLINK, BLINK, BLINK and you won the big Red teddy bear!!!;):D
 
   / FarmTrac Troubles #1,717  
Hey All,

Blue... - those articles on FarmTrac were very interesting. They lead one to wonder

Just who did Textron have a financing deal with. Dealers individually? Escorts? Escorts on behalf of dealers? Who? What does the fine print say? Apparently not Dealers as credit limits were ignored and tractors delivered. Apparently not just Escorts as dealers are liable financially. If it was with Escorts on behalf of dealers then doesn't that leave dealers holding the financial bag if they have no control over their inventory levels and credit limits are ignored? Then either Textron is "taking advantage" of a situation to force financial liability onto dealers or they maybe believed Escorts propaganda about tractor sales, ability to pay, etc and were also hoodwinked. The question is simply - did they know? Escorts apparently simply raided the company - virtually no doubt in my mind. How much of what they did is actually illegal I've no idea but they certainly did not embrace the idea of being in the tractor business long term.
WITHOUT DEALER SUPPORT at reasonable costs America is going to have to go back to this way of functioning. I don't think it would necessarily be a bad thing - and I won't buy anything that looks too complicated under the hood.

-Ed-

ED----i give credit where credit is due---you are a fast learner----Farmtrac and textron did just what wall street has done to the rest of the world with this FUNNY PAPER----no one knows what it is ready worth----American Companies get bail out dollars (See John Deere $2 Billion in Bailout Funds) and the Farmtrac Dealers lose everything that they have worked a life time to accumulate----makes you wonder about that Boston Tea Party----what really caused it????----no Kings down here for a reason!!!! Reread the whole thread and most of your questions will be answered------$ome Textron employees will not qualify for saint hood anytime soon!!!!!
 
   / FarmTrac Troubles #1,718  
Blue---heard there was a BIG Boat going down the Red River the other Day ----heard it was big enough to have a putting green on the back----you don't reckon----?????:):)-----some "old guy" back there hitting cow patties ----has to be_____!!!!!! some say it looked like one of those big Textron CEO boats???? you don't reckon tax___ done went and bought the whole darn company----and is busy re----"organ"---izing the personnel!!!!????? WHILE he is on a boat RIDE!??
 
   / FarmTrac Troubles #1,719  
Blue---heard there was a BIG Boat going down the Red River the other Day ----heard it was big enough to have a putting green on the back----you don't reckon----?????:):)-----some "old guy" back there hitting cow patties ----has to be_____!!!!!! some say it looked like one of those big Textron CEO boats???? you don't reckon tax___ done went and bought the whole darn company----and is busy re----"organ"---izing the personnel!!!!????? WHILE he is on a boat RIDE!??
NAW RED, I ain't bought no company yet, got sidetracted with a hospital stay for a few days, must have got aholt of some of that rotten baloney these cats been dishing out to the farmtrac dealers.gotta get back to work on getting my boat.:D
 
   / FarmTrac Troubles #1,720  
Dang happy to hear for you Taxpayer.

Glad you are well.

Tim
 

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