farmageddon Anyone seen this?
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IndyIan
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Industry sponsored scientists and lobbyists do know what's best for us for sure!
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That is right, so I wonder if there is a connection between how much more the lobbyists are running our government and all the sheeple more and more giving up and going on the dole?
buckeyefarmer
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This was the head of USDA saying american farmers are becoming irrelevant because the numbers are declining.
USDA chief: Rural America becoming less relevant - WTOP.com
dave1949
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I looked for cases of sterility in open pollinated crops associated with GMO crops. I didn't find any mention of that. Lots of references on how it is becoming very difficult to maintain organic certification, especially with alfalfa and rape/canola. The GMO seeds cross pollinate the non-gmo's which then becomes part of the organic seed make-up. That makes those seeds un-certifiable as organic by definition.
I would guess the traditional corn got "Rounded-Up" as the most reasonable explanation if it is dying. Corn with a pollination problem doesn't die, you get little nubby ears with no developed kernels.
creekbend
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www.organiccconsumers.org/ge/naftacorn090704.cfm Can someone see if my link is going through? My PC is acting up again. Thanks.What a load of rubbish
creekbend
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Hopefully this link goes through. The Maize Maze in Mexico - BradleyStuart.net Browze now to "Nafta tills Mexico soil for the violence of biotechnology. This is earlier than the documentary that I saw.
dave1949
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creekbends link:
NAFTA is Underlying Cause of GE Corn Contamination in Mexico
NAFTA is Underlying Cause of GE Corn Contamination in Mexico
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creekbend
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Thank you very much. As I stated earlier, I am far from being an expert. Although these posts are older than the documentery that I saw in regards to Monsonto, it appears that the problem has escalted. Thanks for listening.
dave1949
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We are not experts, true enough. I just don't see why most people do not see the danger in this. Even if the danger of monoculturing is poo-poo-ed, why does Monsanto get to decide what variety of corn will be grown by practically everyone, or that Monsanto can willy-nilly destroy the work of others?
The people who are supposed to be, and are paid to be, experts at the USDA & FDA should have been able to predict what is happening and should not have approved Monsanto's and others use of these seeds. Those agencies are controlled by corporate interests.
Larry Caldwell
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What a load of rubbish
Not necessarily. The drought in North America has extended well into Mexico. It's just not as well publicized. The strains modern farmers have planted will make a crop under extremely adverse conditions, and even at that there were reports of fields yielding less than 5 bushels per acre. Farmers cut the corn and baled it for livestock fodder because there was no crop. It's not surprising that native corn varieties failed to make any crop at all. Prior to modern crop genetic science, total crop failures and famines were a common feature of life.
What it total rubbish is blaming the crop failure on cross pollination, instead of their inferior seed stock.
Larry Caldwell
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Why do you think you deserve and opinion when you don't even know there are multiple seed companies? Did you think Monsanto was the only company doing crop research and selling seed? Do you even read seed ads in farm magazines?
creekbend
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I found this to be quite educational in regards to growing corn. I never realized some of the following, especially #33. Hybrid Seed Production Maize Ppt
dave1949
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The people who are supposed to be, and are paid to be, experts at the USDA & FDA should have been able to predict what is happening and should not have approved Monsanto's and others use of these seeds. Those agencies are controlled by corporate interests.
At least I can read. Do you work for Monsanto? Are you paid to destroy the work of others?
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dave1949
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#33 is why the thought crossed my mind that if they were growing seed corn next to the traditional plots, they would have had a reason to purposely kill any nearby corn.
When I was 14, before my bagging career :laughing:, I worked for a week detasseling seed corn. I don't know why, but the seed company decided to hire some kids, to keep us out of trouble I guess. It was comical. The variety of corn was pretty tall and had grown well that summer. If I jumped a bit a grabbed a tassel, I could usually get it off the stalk. It was hot and humid down in those corn rows and the only water on that farm was so loaded with sulfur you had to hold your nose to drink it.
Eventually, a migrant crew showed up and put us out of our misery. They rode on sweeps above the rows and pulled the tassels from above. I suppose it would have been against the rules to put 14 year-olds on a mechanized unit.
Larry Caldwell
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Your problem is that all you are reading is the frankenfoodie buttheads who want to wind us back to the 19th century. What you should be reading is a farmer's cost of production spreadsheet. The thing that makes improved crops so profitable is the amount of inputs that they make unnecessary.
What I am is a farmer, and I know how many chemicals we used to have to spread to get a crop. When they took persistent pesticides like DDT off the market we had to go in with multiple applications, and some of those chemicals were really dangerous to apply. Now, with BT corn, cotton, potatoes, etc., we can let the plant defend itself and save hundreds of dollars an acre in chemicals. Roundup ready crops are just as great. We used to have to spray a pre-emerge herbicide on the ground before planting, then spray or cultivate multiple times. Now we just hit it once or twice with glyphosate and call it good. It's the difference between survival and bankruptcy for most farms. The seed is cheap at the cost.
Last year the frankenfoodies tried to get the USDA to revoke approval for roundup-ready sugarbeets. The farmers said, "Fine, we won't have a sugar beet crop in the USA this year." They had en masse abandoned the conventional beet stock. That's not the corporate interests controlling anything, that's the farmers voting with their dollars. You claim you can read, so read a little information about what sugarbeet farmers had to do to their soil before roundup-ready plants became available. Sugarbeets
GM crops have been approved for human consumption for over 20 years. They have an excellent record for both safety and productivity. The seed sold by Monsanto, Pioneer Hy-Bred, DeKalb, Bayer and others not only provide a better bottom line for farmers, they have proven able to produce a crop in adverse growing conditions that would have meant complete crop failure 50 years ago.
Reyer Farms
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I wrote a lengthy post and deleted it because I felt it was too much at one time. Short version:
The companies are not pure evil, they have done a lot for agriculture. They are profit driven and we as a society have steered their decisions. The organic movement is also about money, for those who are shaking their head, yes it is. It is a marketing gimmick that is taking advantage of many consumers. Organic is not free and pure and all those warm fuzzy feelings that they market. For the record organic practices are just as dangerous for agriculture and our food supply.
We must be good stewards of the resources God has given us. The land, crops, our bodies they all get sick and need help. Sometimes help is simple and sometimes it needs a complex approach. Responsible decisions are not just pump it full of a chemical, more antibiotics, walk off that health problem, only use this product so resistance is built and control no longer works, don't spray it those worms need to eat worse than we do.
Consumers must become aware of the way we get our food and become engaged in that process. The fastest way to do that is talk to farmer, buy from a farmer, and in time we will have change the industry. Farmers must make money to grow food. I know, duh? But consumers buying habits, the ever expanding gov regulations, and cheaper produced imports are killing small farms. My wife has done talks in schools and kids think chocolate milk comes from brown cows. We live in a rural area, that's scary. We must be responsible for our actions. As consumers have the final say the burden is ultimately on them. I would encourage everyone to visit a farm and see what goes on. I have yet to met a farmer that took the job lightly. How many of you know where the money from the farm bill goes?
Sincerely,
A small family farm selling directly from our field to your family
The companies are not pure evil, they have done a lot for agriculture. They are profit driven and we as a society have steered their decisions. The organic movement is also about money, for those who are shaking their head, yes it is. It is a marketing gimmick that is taking advantage of many consumers. Organic is not free and pure and all those warm fuzzy feelings that they market. For the record organic practices are just as dangerous for agriculture and our food supply.
We must be good stewards of the resources God has given us. The land, crops, our bodies they all get sick and need help. Sometimes help is simple and sometimes it needs a complex approach. Responsible decisions are not just pump it full of a chemical, more antibiotics, walk off that health problem, only use this product so resistance is built and control no longer works, don't spray it those worms need to eat worse than we do.
Consumers must become aware of the way we get our food and become engaged in that process. The fastest way to do that is talk to farmer, buy from a farmer, and in time we will have change the industry. Farmers must make money to grow food. I know, duh? But consumers buying habits, the ever expanding gov regulations, and cheaper produced imports are killing small farms. My wife has done talks in schools and kids think chocolate milk comes from brown cows. We live in a rural area, that's scary. We must be responsible for our actions. As consumers have the final say the burden is ultimately on them. I would encourage everyone to visit a farm and see what goes on. I have yet to met a farmer that took the job lightly. How many of you know where the money from the farm bill goes?
Sincerely,
A small family farm selling directly from our field to your family
