Engine will not start/ Electrical Issue

[grsthegreat]

Now, I did not do that. That would make even more sense. Now teh cable is looking more suspect. If its not working well, it woiuld act as a barrier between the boosted electrical output and the frame.

thats what im thinking. give it a try. If it cranks over alot better, then id suspect a cable issue. There have been numerous posts here about guys having to replace the ground wires and install a new bolt where they hook into the frame

 

[DK35vince]

Check your ground where the ground cable bolts to the frame. Take the cable off and clean the cable end and frame were they connect.

 

[mohican]

Update - Replaced the grounduing cable and cleaned the ignition switch with WD 40. No start or clicking. The only thing that happens when I turn the key to the right is that the dash lights come on. Turn the key to the left and the coil won't heat up. The blinkers work.

1) Is the ignigition switch bad and if so, how can I test it?
2) Are there any safety switches involving a bush hog that I can access and reset or replace? I have a mower attached at the moment.
3) Are there relay switches to look at and if so, how do I test them?

Thanks to you all in advance for your advice. I'm learning alot and hopefully this thread can help the next fellow in line for a setback like this.

 

[Coyote machine]

Update - Replaced the grounduing cable and cleaned the ignition switch with WD 40. No start or clicking. The only thing that happens when I turn the key to the right is that the dash lights come on. Turn the key to the left and the coil won't heat up. The blinkers work.

1) Is the ignigition switch bad and if so, how can I test it?
2) Are there any safety switches involving a bush hog that I can access and reset or replace? I have a mower attached at the moment.
3) Are there relay switches to look at and if so, how do I test them?

Thanks to you all in advance for your advice. I'm learning alot and hopefully this thread can help the next fellow in line for a setback like this.

Assuming this hasn't been answered by now- if your mower PTO switch is in the on position your tractor will NOT start.
If you want to test your ig switch best to buy a service manual for your specific tractor. It contains lots of useful info and wiring schematics.

 

[mohican]

Well - I found the issue. It was a bad positive cable.

Tried jumping at the starter and got nothing. We started working back and at first thought the battery was bad. We tested it with the cables on and go nothing. Started to replace it and decided to test the battery w/o the cable and it looked great. Then tested the cable and it failed.

From the outside, it looked great, so it was the last thing we'd have considered - no rust or corrosion.

Thanks all for your help.

 

[Coyote machine]

Well - I found the issue. It was a bad positive cable.

Tried jumping at the starter and got nothing. We started working back and at first thought the battery was bad. We tested it with the cables on and go nothing. Started to replace it and decided to test the battery w/o the cable and it looked great. Then tested the cable and it failed.

From the outside, it looked great, so it was the last thing we'd have considered - no rust or corrosion.

Thanks all for your help.

EXCELLENT! Sometimes things like positive cables do go bad- unusual, but not outside the realm of possibility. Would have been real easy to overlook- good job tracking it from battery back one part at a time, not overlooking anything!!:thumbsup:

 

[tcartwri]

Seems to me I've heard this story from Kioti owners a few times now.

 

[VictorW]

As mentioned, electrical problems can be a pita but if you start at the beginning and go to the end, something usually shows bad. Don't take any shortcuts. They seem to just come back to bite you.

The one trick I used with the ground cable to frame, 5 years good so far, is clean as mentioned and use copper anti-seize on the cable end, frame contact area, and bolt. The copper in the anti-seize seems to keep a good connection and the petroleum base of it keeps corrosion away.

 

[grsthegreat]

Seems to me I've heard this story from Kioti owners a few times now.

Not just kioti.... it occurs on alot of tractors that are left out in the whether. Lets face it cold and moist conditions are not friendly to electrical devises.

 

[DK35vince]

Seems to me I've heard this story from Kioti owners a few times now.

I've had to clean up the ground where my cable bolts to the frame.
But thats the only problem I have had. Never a cable.
My tractors a 2001 model and I'm still running the original battery.

 

[kiotiken]

Seems to me I've heard this story from Kioti owners a few times now.

Yes, I'm a Kioti owner and I've had the exact same issue. It was on my John Deer though.:laughing:

 

[MaxStorm]

Hi mohican, I am new to the forum here, did you resolve your electrical problem?
I own a LB2204 that is doing the exact same thing, when you turn the key...nothing. I have not checked my cables, though they're not corroded, and I am getting nearly 13v at the battery right to the center post on the ingition switch. However, when I connect one of the wires, say for the accessory or starter...the voltage drops to nearly 8volts. The battery is new as well. One thing I have that I know is bad, is the fusable link coming off the starter. After looking at the wiring schematic (which reads like greek) I wonder why there is a need for a fusable link. I replaced my ignition switch with a Kubota part after learning that older Kubota and Kioti parts were virtually made from the same molds.
I will check/replace the cables on mine.
I will replace the fusable link coming off the starter.
Anyway, I was just wondering if you got yours running and what you did.

Thanks for taking the time to read and respond.
Max

 

[Coyote machine]

Hi mohican, I am new to the forum here, did you resolve your electrical problem?
I own a LB2204 that is doing the exact same thing, when you turn the key...nothing. I have not checked my cables, though they're not corroded, and I am getting nearly 13v at the battery right to the center post on the ingition switch. However, when I connect one of the wires, say for the accessory or starter...the voltage drops to nearly 8volts. The battery is new as well. One thing I have that I know is bad, is the fusable link coming off the starter. After looking at the wiring schematic (which reads like greek) I wonder why there is a need for a fusable link. I replaced my ignition switch with a Kubota part after learning that older Kubota and Kioti parts were virtually made from the same molds.
I will check/replace the cables on mine.
I will replace the fusable link coming off the starter.
Anyway, I was just wondering if you got yours running and what you did.

Thanks for taking the time to read and respond.
Max

For the answer to your question read back a page or so and you will see it has been answered/ problem solved.

 

[mohican]

For the answer to your question read back a page or so and you will see it has been answered/ problem solved.

It was the positive electrical cable for me. The cable looked great on the outside but somewhere in the middle it had corrosion. I felt dumb for not checking it earlier, but wisdom comes from such things. If you see a drop in electrical flow, then that's where the problem is. At least that's what I've learned this time around.

Also, do your best to keep the tractor covered or in the dry.

Good luck and hope you enjoy your tractor. Mine's been reliable and fairly easy to work on with the help of the good folks on this forum.