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[acme97]

Need some help. I just picked up the new DK50SE in MD, hauled it down to my place in SC. I unloaded no problems. Hooked up the rotary cutter with a new hydraulic toplink. Went to the field to start cutting, and engaged the PTO, all of a sudden hydraulic fluid start spewing from under the tractor and the FEL and 3pt would not lift. There is no dealer near me, any idea what happened and what to do? Here are some pictures.

 

[groundcover]

Get some hydraulic fluid, fill it up , start it at an idle and look fo the leak. Hopefully something just came loose that you can tighten up. Good luck !

 

[arsenix2001]

The engagement of the pto starting the leak is concerning. Spray it down with a brake parts cleaner nice and dry, add fluid, restart and carefully check for leaks. I noticed a spray so be carefull and use cardboard and heavy gloves, hyd fluid can pierce the skin under pressure. Check it first without the pto engaged and then have someone engage it. Hopefully its a loose fitting. Your three point and fel arent working because you have lost all pressure in the system from either low fluid or the actual blown fitting. Good luck.

 

[acme97]

Don't know what the part is, but the black plastic unit that is bolted to the silver in the picture is held in place with 4 allen screws. The leak is coming from between those two. I tightened it (it was loose) but still spewed fluid. So took it off and there is a small rubber seal that is split. Does anyone have a shop manual and can tell me the size of the O ring?

 

[Mousefield]

Don't know what the part is, but the black plastic unit that is bolted to the silver in the picture is held in place with 4 allen screws. The leak is coming from between those two. I tightened it (it was loose) but still spewed fluid. So took it off and there is a small rubber seal that is split. Does anyone have a shop manual and can tell me the size of the O ring?

Some of the heavy duty mechanic shops or car parts places probably have O-rings that fit. I would take in the old o-ring and the part you took off so they can get an accurate size for you. Kind of a bummer on a new machine but sounds like it will be a relatively easy fix. Hope the new hydraulic fluid doesn't set you back to much.

 

[tnewbern]

Its hard to tell from the pictures what is what. From the best I can tell the DK50SE is the same tractor as the DK40SE & DK45SE just with a bigger motor. I don't see that part on my tractor or anywhere in the service manual.

Did you have any add-ons installed by the dealer. It looks like and auxillary hydraulic solenoid for FEL or something. Could you post a couple of better pictures maybe without the tractor running so I can beeter see the part.

The 4WD and PTO are powered off the (power steering & HST) pump not the FEL and 3pt hitch pump. Low fluid would affect both circuits and you should not drive the tractor as you may damage the HST.

I would call your dealer ASAP and inquire about this. I do not believe this is a standard or factor part.

Tom

 

[tnewbern]

Sorry to double post this but I looked at the pictures a little further. If I am see this right it appears to be plumbed into the power beyond circuit.

This is not a standard part.

You should be able to bypass this by removing the 2 rear facing hydraulic lines and connecting them together. I am not positive that those are the proper lines for input and out so verify. One should go to the inside FEL control valve (power beyond port) and the other the transmission area (tank).

 

[acme97]

Ok, update. The part in question was the hydraulic/electric control for the WR Long Grapple. It was a blown O-ring. I went to an auto parts store and found one that fit. Replaced and tightened down. No leak! I then tried to cycle through the FEL and 3pth. Things didn't work so well, would not lift very well, added 5 gal of hydraulic fluid and most everything worked. FEL lifts and bucket curls, 3 pth lifts and tilts (with hydraulic toplink). HST works, tractor moves. The only thing not working is the cylinders on the grapple bucket. Will not open.

Does anyone know how to cycle those? Is there something I need do to bled them?

Thanks

 

[tnewbern]

And the truth shall set you free. Sorry bad Jim Carry humor.

Something does not seem right. I would get the tractor to a suitable workspase and get us some more information.

Since this is not a Kioti thing you better get the selling dealer involved ASAP.

Did this ever work correctly? O-Rings don't normally blow out like that. Either the unit was not assembled correctly or its hooked up wrong. Bypass this before you do damage to you new tractor and find your warrenty void. Did the dealer provide you with the original hardline and bolts so you can restore to original condition?

 

[Coyote machine]

Sorry to hear of your problems with the new machine.
For a starting point, did you check to make sure everything was working before they loaded it onto your trailer?
And for clarity why did you buy in MD to ship to S. Carolina?


When speaking to the selling dealer I would ask that they cover you for expenses local to you to have a Kioti dealer, or other diesel tractor mechanic come to your place- or you transport to a local dealer to have your situation resolved to your satisfaction. The selling dealer installed your implements, and should have verified proper function prior to giving the machine to you for transport. Is there a possibility that the area in question was damaged when loaded onto the trailer? Even if the answer is yes, it would seem they are responsible for the problem and it's solution.

You deserve to have quick resolution to this without having to worry about possible damage to your new tractor.

What hydraulic fluid did you use to top off your system?

Good luck and hopefully a quick recovery to this issue.
Post back results, (and some clearer pics of the area in question), please.

Thanks, CM

 

[acme97]

And the truth shall set you free. Sorry bad Jim Carry humor.

Something does not seem right. I would get the tractor to a suitable workspase and get us some more information.

Since this is not a Kioti thing you better get the selling dealer involved ASAP.

Did this ever work correctly? O-Rings don't normally blow out like that. Either the unit was not assembled correctly or its hooked up wrong. Bypass this before you do damage to you new tractor and find your warrenty void. Did the dealer provide you with the original hardline and bolts so you can restore to original condition?

Tell me about it! Anyway, after adding a universal premium tractor hydraulic fluid that I use in my L35, I every thing worked so I was able to get it to my work pad. I'll be looking at it this morning. The solenoid for the grapple was the issue. I guess it came loose after the long drive, though I don't see how. There was no lock tite used on the four bolts. I will be doing that this morning. When I looked at the blown O Ring, it was split all around the edge, and broken in half. The other 3 O Rings were still good. BTW this is the same unit that is on my L35's 4n1 bucket.

 

[acme97]

Sorry to hear of your problems with the new machine.
For a starting point, did you check to make sure everything was working before they loaded it onto your trailer?
And for clarity why did you buy in MD to ship to S. Carolina?


When speaking to the selling dealer I would ask that they cover you for expenses local to you to have a Kioti dealer, or other diesel tractor mechanic come to your place- or you transport to a local dealer to have your situation resolved to your satisfaction. The selling dealer installed your implements, and should have verified proper function prior to giving the machine to you for transport. Is there a possibility that the area in question was damaged when loaded onto the trailer? Even if the answer is yes, it would seem they are responsible for the problem and it's solution.

You deserve to have quick resolution to this without having to worry about possible damage to your new tractor.

What hydraulic fluid did you use to top off your system?

Good luck and hopefully a quick recovery to this issue.
Post back results, (and some clearer pics of the area in question), please.

Thanks, CM

CM,
Short answer first. Yes, I checked everything at dealer first (except the PTO for cutter) and everything was good. I opened and closed, grapple, FEL, and curled bucket. I'm leaning toward vibration loosening bolts on unit that allowed enough play to blow the one O ring. The other three were fine.

After replacing O ring, no leak, and putting fluid in, everything except the grapple thumbs are functioning. I have to figure out that part. I moved unit to work area so will be better able to check things this morning.

The reason I bought in MD is because my wife is stationed in DC and we live there but have our place in SC. Son stays there. I didn't have a dealer near my place in SC, and the ones that came up in the search on Kioti did not respond to my inquires. I also tried in NC to no avail. So I drove to nearest dealer which was MD.

I have a call into dealer, so we'll see how things go. If need be, I haul it back to them. Only money, time and gas!

 

[MarkV]

If there is some question as to how it was installed I would call W.R. Long and ask for Nelson. He will talk you through the proper hook up and help diagnose the problem. I can't recall anyone ever getting a faulty unit so I am betting on an installation mistake.

MarkV

 

[tnewbern]

I am with Mark on this. The main reason I say this is the link to the PTO.

Can you post some pictures of the connections. If this actually blew when you enguaged the PTO it would indicate that the valve is plumbed into the steering hydrualics circuit. If it is connected to the power beyond off the FEL valve the rasing of the 3pt hitch would be the likely increase of pressure and blowout. I am not saying there was excess pressure with those bolts loose it would not take much.

Another possibility could be the electrical connections. If activating the PTO caused the solenoid to activate and deadhead the grapple circuit that could explain the blowout.

 

[acme97]

I am with Mark on this. The main reason I say this is the link to the PTO.

Can you post some pictures of the connections. If this actually blew when you enguaged the PTO it would indicate that the valve is plumbed into the steering hydrualics circuit. If it is connected to the power beyond off the FEL valve the rasing of the 3pt hitch would be the likely increase of pressure and blowout. I am not saying there was excess pressure with those bolts loose it would not take much.

Another possibility could be the electrical connections. If activating the PTO caused the solenoid to activate and deadhead the grapple circuit that could explain the blowout.

I will take some pic and post, but been on the phone with dealer service. The guy that installed it said there was an inline fuze that most likely blew. I found a micro 10 amp that was blown, but the larger 30 amps were good. Wife going to get me a new one so, we'll see if that is the culprit.

 

[Steve_Miller]

When you replace the fuse and go to try it again be ready to shut down the tractor if something doesn't sound right (if it deadheads). Be sure to keep it at an idle as well for safety.

Steve

 

[acme97]

Ok everything is good. Replaced the blown O ring with correct one, filled fluid, replaced 10 amp mini fuse and ran great. No other issues did about 2 acres of cutting and was able to put in 200 Christmas trees.