electric vehicles

[Roric]

Who you gonna believe?

Says the EPA:
"Nationwide, particulate matter— especially the fine particles such as those in diesel exhaust—cause 15,000 premature deaths every year."

The treatments that diesel exhaust requires are not a handicap:
death is.

regards

 

[Eagle1]

Who you gonna believe?

Says the EPA:
"Nationwide, particulate matter— especially the fine particles such as those in diesel exhaust—cause 15,000 premature deaths every year."

The treatments that diesel exhaust requires are not a handicap:
death is.

regards

One day you too may own a tractor that double it's fuel usage during regen every few hours and if it can't it will go into limp mode.....
I have one and hope it will last me but I do not believe a DPF system will last 50+ years like previous tractors.

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

I take the governments estimated death statistics with a pound of salt. Too many recent events have proven that their testing, studies and reporting are too tightly tied to political agenda quite honestly.
Did those people die FROM diesel particulates, or WITH them?

DPF is “safe and effective”.

I burn more fuel to keep the DPF hot, being careful not to idle. Then I’ll run it wide open for 30 minutes to burn off soot too.

Twinkies and refined sugar kill more… so let’s ban those first. I mean, if it saves just one life! Just like an ill fitting paper mask.

 

[EddieWalker]

Funny how the government can come up with a statistic to save lives when pushing an agenda, but the same government will totally cover up and hide a much higher number of deaths from an agenda that they have created like the open border.

 

[deserteagle71]

Funny how the government can come up with a statistic to save lives when pushing an agenda, but the same government will totally cover up and hide a much higher number of deaths from an agenda that they have created like the open border.

^This!

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

Funny how the government can come up with a statistic to save lives when pushing an agenda, but the same government will totally cover up and hide a much higher number of deaths from an agenda that they have created like the open border.

Statistics and "research" are common propaganda used to support ones agenda. When the media is in your pocket, it's easy to pass off lies. Just go back to 2020-2022.

 

[Hay Dude]

Funny how the government can come up with a statistic to save lives when pushing an agenda, but the same government will totally cover up and hide a much higher number of deaths from an agenda that they have created like the open border.

Like abortion.

Abortion kills more people in the world than any other cause of death.

In fact, abortion kills more people that the next 7 causes of death, combined!

 

[Hay Dude]

Its gotten bad in the last id say 10 years and noticeably worst in the last 4 years. Scientist who talk about climate change but not in the sense of its the end of the world. Literally get zero MSM attention, I would assume they get little funding from the government if any at all. I can guarantee the scientist who are showing us cows farting and vehicle emmissions are the reasons for the our demise when it comes to climate change. They are getting money from universities and from the government.

Is that the new “political science”?

If you look at our industries and how we have Departments that are suppose to keep them in check for the consumer. Thats not happening. They are captured. The executive team member gets tired of working for say boeing. They just get hired by our one of our departments. Which is the reason why they are captured. Its scratch my back and ill scratch yours. Then when ever a big move is about to happen the member of the department cash in by having inside knowledge to make money on the market. ITs the biggest screw you scheme out there.

Thats fascism!!

For a country thats largely based on having a morale compass thats suppose to be pointing in the right direction. It is in fact not. This a bipartisan problem. Certainly they are instances where its not but there really isn't many of them. Only a hand full of politicians speak out against the BS. Look at our health care. totally captured by the insurance companies. B!den didnt even try to do anything. Even during the height of the pandemic. Our health care costs are more than any other country and we have the most problems here. Supposedly the FDA has our backs but there actions say otherwise

The only thing I can add to that is the health care system we have here still has the potential to be the best in the world, but the onus is on the patient to find it.

 

[edgarrian]

Is that the new “political science”?



Thats fascism!!



The only thing I can add to that is the health care system we have here still has the potential to be the best in the world, but the onus is on the patient to find it.

Every health care system has the potential to be great best. Ours id say is far from it especially after you retire and you are on a fixed income. Thats going to be problem that continues to get worst.

Fascism if thats what you wanna call it. Who cares. Thats how the gov operates. Whether its the left or the right.

Political science I guess so if that is what you are all about. Its obvious at this point

 

[CliffordK]

Considering that the average homeowner uses their tractor only 50-100 hours per year they should be forced into electric. It will be "good enough" for those users. Same goes with any homeowner power tools bought in big box stores - should be battery or plug in only.

I can't see farmers being able to rely on EV tech for planting and harvesting. It's bad enough now getting forced into a standing regen for DPF or your machine getting stuck in limp mode due to DEF and computerized emissions equipment issues.

I could see EV being used for things like mucking out barns.

It'll come. There are a lot of electric forklifts around, in part due to the natural ballast of a large battery, and operating them indoors.

I'd love to have a tractor that was 1000 or 2000 lbs heavier than what I have.

However, I'm not willing to go out and spend $50K for the latest and greatest technology on the block.

But you're right. an all electric large tractor or combine could be a problem. What if your battery only lasts 5 hours a day and you need to be on the field for 15 hours? Or you're operating 10 miles from your home charging point?

Perhaps they'll come with swappable batteries. So, one drops the battery on a battery trailer and picks up a new one, and is back to operating. While the assistant runs home to recharge.

Noting, of course, that the power companies don't like to give residential customers more than 200A 220V or in some cases 400A 220V, and they probably don't want you running it up to the full 100% load. Or, for a few days a year, every neighbor using the full 100% load.

Anyway, for my use, 5 gallons of tractor diesel can last me a very long time... many months, or sometimes years. There is little benefit of going to really expensive batteries.

I do have an electric mini van which I do like. However, one thing that I always have in the back of my mind is what would happen if I got a battery fire.

 

[Rockbadchild]

Electric vehicle fires should be a real concern, close to a house or in the garages is a hazard. You can't (very hard) to extinguish battery fires, Its a big problem with electric vehicle underground, can't access the battery component to water it down and they burn for a long time.

 

[DarkBlack]

Is that the new “political science”?



Thats fascism!!



The only thing I can add to that is the health care system we have here still has the potential to be the best in the world, but the onus is on the patient to find it.

We have a “healthcare” industry that profits BILLIONS $ from people always being unhealthy.
What’s that industry’s incentive to have a healthy customer base?…….
A healthy customer is a lost customer
Think about it….

 

[Yander]

Who you gonna believe?

Not our government! The one thing I'm convinced of after COVID, they do NOT have our interests in mind.

Only their $$$

 

[Yander]

We have a “healthcare” industry that profits BILLIONS $ from people always being unhealthy.
What’s that industry’s incentive to have a healthy customer base?…….
A healthy customer is a lost customer
Think about it….

Accurate

 

[mikester]

It'll come. There are a lot of electric forklifts around, in part due to the natural ballast of a large battery, and operating them indoors.

I'd love to have a tractor that was 1000 or 2000 lbs heavier than what I have.

However, I'm not willing to go out and spend $50K for the latest and greatest technology on the block.

But you're right. an all electric large tractor or combine could be a problem. What if your battery only lasts 5 hours a day and you need to be on the field for 15 hours? Or you're operating 10 miles from your home charging point?

Perhaps they'll come with swappable batteries. So, one drops the battery on a battery trailer and picks up a new one, and is back to operating. While the assistant runs home to recharge.

Noting, of course, that the power companies don't like to give residential customers more than 200A 220V or in some cases 400A 220V, and they probably don't want you running it up to the full 100% load. Or, for a few days a year, every neighbor using the full 100% load.

Anyway, for my use, 5 gallons of tractor diesel can last me a very long time... many months, or sometimes years. There is little benefit of going to really expensive batteries.

I do have an electric mini van which I do like. However, one thing that I always have in the back of my mind is what would happen if I got a battery fire.

I differtiate between "farmers" and "homeowners".

I don't see EV technology capable yet to work for commercial farms. Current EV tech is capable enough to do what homeowners need - run for an hour then sit around for a week on a charger.

My opinion is that all light duty passenger vehicles should be mandated to go hybrid. EV is nice but we don't have the infrastructure to support it.

This carbon tax we have is pure BS. If we want consumers to be more carbon friendly then we need to do what they do in europe and tax by engine displacement. Nobody needs 400HP in a car. If you want it, great. Pay your over consumption tax.

 

[edgarrian]

I differtiate between "farmers" and "homeowners".

I don't see EV technology capable yet to work for commercial farms. Current EV tech is capable enough to do what homeowners need - run for an hour then sit around for a week on a charger.

My opinion is that all light duty passenger vehicles should be mandated to go hybrid. EV is nice but we don't have the infrastructure to support it.

This carbon tax we have is pure BS. If we want consumers to be more carbon friendly then we need to do what they do in europe and tax by engine displacement. Nobody needs 400HP in a car. If you want it, great. Pay your over consumption tax.

Look at what the farmers are doing in EU. Look it up so then you will be aware of what you are wanting. They are spreading poo in paris. Shutting down roads. Tearing up highways, blocking off downtown. Its not covered by MSM bc heaven for bid if you knew what was going on over there.

As a homeowner and former farmer. I couldn't disagree with your statement more. There is a reason why you would want to differentiate between homeowner and farmer. Its so that you dont have to follow your own statement. Hybrids. Im not getting a stupid hybrid and it shouldn't be mandated. Thankfully I dont live in a state ran by idiots. Hell farmers here have a truck for farming. They have a truck for going to town. The wife has a large grocery getter. Move to france. You will be happier there.

 

[Thall303]

Blunt , but true!

 

[Gator6x4]

Like abortion.

Abortion kills more people in the world than any other cause of death.

In fact, abortion kills more people that the next 7 causes of death, combined!

USA Death Causes.

What are the leading causes of death in the US?

Heart disease, cancer, and COVID-19 remain the leading causes of death among adults in the US.

usafacts.org

Now to the World.

Causes of Death

To find ways to save lives, it’s essential to know what people are dying from. Explore global data and research on causes of death.

ourworldindata.org

 

[Gator6x4]

Look at what the farmers are doing in EU. Look it up so then you will be aware of what you are wanting. They are spreading poo in paris. Shutting down roads. Tearing up highways, blocking off downtown. Its not covered by MSM bc heaven for bid if you knew what was going on over there.

As a homeowner and former farmer. I couldn't disagree with your statement more. There is a reason why you would want to differentiate between homeowner and farmer. Its so that you dont have to follow your own statement. Hybrids. Im not getting a stupid hybrid and it shouldn't be mandated. Thankfully I dont live in a state ran by idiots. Hell farmers here have a truck for farming. They have a truck for going to town. The wife has a large grocery getter. Move to france. You will be happier there.

What to Know About the Farmer Protests in Europe

Farmers across Europe are protesting the EU's new green policies, which they say would make them less competitive.

time.com

 

[mikester]

As a homeowner and former farmer. I couldn't disagree with your statement more. There is a reason why you would want to differentiate between homeowner and farmer. Its so that you dont have to follow your own statement. Hybrids. Im not getting a stupid hybrid and it shouldn't be mandated. Thankfully I dont live in a state ran by idiots. Hell farmers here have a truck for farming. They have a truck for going to town. The wife has a large grocery getter. Move to france. You will be happier there.

If we all acted like responsible adults we wouldn't need police, lawyers and a court system.

You feel that it's your right to impose your "wants" on others but it's against your rights if someone else tells you the same thing.

I'm all for choice - if you love burning your money that's your business. I don't want to have to pay a carbon tax to fund somebody's right to be wasteful. I choose to be conservative with my money and resources.

If you want to live like a crack wh0re then that's your decision - I just want to stop subsidizing crack wh0re lifestyles and lack of responsible adult decision making skills.