Electric vehicles during a disaster

[Grumpycat]

gasoline compagnies are private corporations they are only tax and regulate by governments, compare to hydro which is mostly own by governments ether by percentage of ownership or by owning its infrastructures. 73% of the power avalble in the USA is own by the goverment. In Canada Hydro Quebec (fully own by the province) and Hydro one (45% own by the province) these or the two major producer of electricity in canada. We will see this once the grid gets overwhelmed the government will dictate who and when you get power.. you can see this in other countries with weak power grid...

So you are claiming government does not have sufficient power to ration gasoline? History says otherwise.

 

[Grumpycat]

It's a lot more difficult to store electricity.
I've 3 IBC totes I got for free. So I can store about 1,000 gallons of diesel. That would have propelled my VW diesel station wagon about 50,000 miles, or my F350 dually about 15,000 miles.

On the other hand I can erect PV panels and make my own electricity. No consumable ingredients. No moving parts. No maintenance other than keeping snow and leaves off the panels.

Compare that to the difficulty of brewing biodiesel. You need sugar and ethanol as ingredients. You need very fine filters which are consumed then discarded as waste along with other byproducts. You need natural gas for heat, electricity to run the pumps.

 

[Rockbadchild]

So you are claiming government does not have sufficient power to ration gasoline? History says otherwise.

I am claiming it be more difficult to do so ... I wasn't aware such thing happen in the past, thanks for pointing that out... On the same token if they can with gas they can with electricity.

 

[MossRoad]

I am claiming it be more difficult to do so ... I wasn't aware such thing happen in the past, thanks for pointing that out... On the same token if they can with gas they can with electricity.

Yes. During WWI, the depression, WWII, the 1970's, and maybe more I can't think of, they had gas rationing. It wasn't difficult at all. The one I lived through in the 1970s, was pretty simple. If your license plate ended in an even number you could buy gas on an even day. Odd number, odd day. If you tried to do otherwise, people in line would kick your ass. Pretty simple.

 

[zzvyb6]

FWIW: My truck shows instantaneous mileage and tire pressures. Many of our roads are a mixture of miles long sections of concrete and asphalt because they are bid, replaced, serviced, patched and paved by various contracting companies. From Brighton to Dayton or Brighton to Grand Rapids, my truck consistently shows 1-2 mpg difference in GAS mileage and 1 - 2 psi difference in tire pressure when traversing each type of pavement. I'll let you guess what pavement gives you the best mileage and why. EV's will experience the same change in rolling resistance and it's associated benefit.

All our roads will have to be repaved with plastic in order to satisfy the loudest Greenies with an efficiency mandate, followed by regulations that eliminate brake systems in all vehicles, because that's where the energy is being wasted. We'll can it degenerative braking. It will immediately raise the volume of new & used car sales because of the improved crash replacement rates. Get rid of them there gazz guzzlers as fast as possible. Travel trailers & motor homes will be the new defacto 'affordable houses' for the Left. (hiway Rest area squatting).

Glad I'm old, the future of traveling for enjoyment, pleasure, recreation, and vacations will be lost to the Meta world.

 

[cqaigy2]

FWIW: My truck shows instantaneous mileage and tire pressures. Many of our roads are a mixture of miles long sections of concrete and asphalt because they are bid, replaced, serviced, patched and paved by various contracting companies. From Brighton to Dayton or Brighton to Grand Rapids, my truck consistently shows 1-2 mpg difference in GAS mileage and 1 - 2 psi difference in tire pressure when traversing each type of pavement. I'll let you guess what pavement gives you the best mileage and why. EV's will experience the same change in rolling resistance and it's associated benefit.

All our roads will have to be repaved with plastic in order to satisfy the loudest Greenies with an efficiency mandate, followed by regulations that eliminate brake systems in all vehicles, because that's where the energy is being wasted. We'll can it degenerative braking. It will immediately raise the volume of new & used car sales because of the improved crash replacement rates. Get rid of them there gazz guzzlers as fast as possible. Travel trailers & motor homes will be the new defacto 'affordable houses' for the Left. (hiway Rest area squatting).

Glad I'm old, the future of traveling for enjoyment, pleasure, recreation, and vacations will be lost to the Meta world.

What?

 

[Chewwy]

''The principal characteristic of U.S. hydroelectric plant ownership is the private sector (private utility and non-utility owners, cooperatives, and industrial owners) owns most of the 2,388 plants (69%), but the public sector (federal and non-federal public owners) owns most (73%) of the 74,872 MW of capacity. Private owners that are not utilities own 38% of the plants corresponding to only 4% of the total capacity, while private utilities own 31% of the plants corresponding to 24% of the total capacity. Seven federal agencies own the largest fraction of the total capacity (51%). Non-federal publicly-owned plants constitute 24% of the plant population corresponding to 22% of the total capacity.''

https://inldigitallibrary.inl.gov/sites/sti/sti/3374828.pdf

Thanks for the info.

I originally thought you were indicating 73% of ALL electric generation avaIlable in the USA was owned by the government. It was not clear you were talking about only hydroelectric.

 

[KennyG]

Not sure why this discussion got into hydroelectric. Although it has some local importance (like the Pacific northwest) it's not very significant overall in the US and is becoming unimportant. The total generation from hydropower is actually dropping as dams are decommissioned. It's the only "renewable" that has some capability to follow the load demands, but it's only about 6% of supply at this time.

We are always hearing about the large % increases in solar and wind, but the % of electricity provided by renewables in the US isn't going up very fast because total demand is increasing and hydro is stagnant/decreasing.

 

[Chewwy]

Electric Cooperatives are be definition and an act of congress (1937 Electric Cooperative Corporation Act) “not-for-profit, and consumer-owned.”

 

[MossRoad]

What?

Thanks. I had to reread it a couple times.