Dozer work in Tulsa Rental?

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BobReeves

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I have a little project that is just too big for a tractor and am having a heck of a time getting any of the Dozer listings in the phone book to call me back, seems they are either too busy or too far away. Called a rental place and can get a small dozer for $285 a day, problem is I have never operated a dozer before and thinking by the time I figure out what I am doing the day will be gone..

What I need to do is knock down a couple 15-20 foot trees and level an area that is aprox 180 foot square with about a 4 foot rise on one side. Need to move the high side to the low side and make it level. I can do the dirt work with my tractor but it would take me forever and thinking a couple hours with a small dozer would knock it out..

Any tricks, tips or suggestions?
 
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Where exactley are you located? I have a freind who has a dozer, and Hoe taht does this type of work. we are in the Mounds / Sapulpa area. Only problem is he likes to stay close to home. (sick Wife)
 
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I am on 412 4 miles east of Catoosa.. I called Bill's Dozer before I knew he was in Mounds and he said I was too far away. Might be the same guy you are thinking about.

Thanks
Bob
 
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Bob, that tree job sounds like more the thing that could be done with a loader-backhoe. You might find someone with a small LBH a lot easier than a dozer. Even so, they will probably want 4 hours minimum and that could end up being $350 to $400. You might come out better by renting a full-size LBH and not have to start from zero on your learning curve. Taking trees out with a backhoe is easy. It may be easier than using a dozer.
 
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No. it is not the same guy, my friends name is Gene. But Catoosa would be to far for him to go.

For what it is worth, Gene uses his backhoe to remove trees for me, and some of these are 30-40 foot tall, black jacks.:)
 
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Thanks for the responses.. The tree job is kinda secondary to the dirt work and why I am thinking dozer.. Don't know much about what can be done with heavier stuff than my Ford 3000 with loader and box blade. Thinking a dozer could move the dirt pretty quick but could be wrong..
 
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Small dozers are a funny thing. The advantage to being small, is that they are easy to move around to job sites. The problem with them is that they can't do very much.

Your soil really dictates what you need to use. If it's hard packed clay, then a small dozer is gonna have allot of trouble breaking through it. I ran a John Deere 450G for awhile, and it was pretty much worthless at digging dirt. It's around 70hp and maybe 15,000 pounds. My neighbor has a guy who does allot of things for him who has a low track Cat D5 that also suffers from being too small to dig in hard clay. Both times he's had to, they brought in a trackhoe to do the digging and the dozer was used to shape and smooth.

If you hire a guy with a dozer, don't just assume he has a dozer that's big enough for the job. He's got a machine, and that's what he's gonna use, regardless of wether it takes him all week, or one day.

If it was me, I'd seriosly consider a full sized loader/backhoe for this job. It's cheaper to run, and will take out the trees faster then a dozer can. If a dozer can't push the tree over, then you're wasting your time with it. I can take out any tree with my dozer, but there's no point in spending half a day, digging 20 yards of dirt out, to take out one tree, when I can do it in 20 minutes with my backhoe.

My dozer is 168hp, and I think I'd use my backhoe for your job if it was on my land, in my dirt.

Eddie
 
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OK I am listening.. How would one tackle the dirt moving work with a LBH also how do you remove the trees? Actually with a LBH I could move the trees to another location Right? Saw it done on This Old House :)

I do have a little time on a trackhoe so the LBH wouldn't be completely foreign.
 
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Bob,

For the dirt project, I'd do it trackhoe style. Back up to the high end and dig it down with the hoe. It's might seem kind of slow at first, but since your just digging down to grade, it will go pretty quick since your just dumping the dirt to move. Pick up the piles with the FEL, dump and back drag.

This is how I build pads and roads. Once I have the dirt close, I prefer the FEL bucket for grading over my dozer blade. I can fine tune the dirt to perfection this way. With a short distance, you should be able to move 30 yards an hour easy. 300 yards in a day is reasonable, depending on how well you stick with it. 200 yards in a day should be real easy.

To take out a tree, you first have to decide where you want it to fall. Most trees have a lean in a certain direction. If that's where you want it, that's always the easiest way to go. Start digging a trench with the backhoe on the side you want the tree to fall. Depending on the tree species, will decide how tough the roots will be. Oaks can be easy with shallow roots, but pines can be a huge pain because of there tap roots. Anyway, start digging as close to the tree as you can. If the roots are too thick, then just move out until you can get through. Once the dirt is out, you can get closer to the tree and break off those roots that were too hard to break through when the dirt was still there. This is the deepest, widest trench that you need to dig.

Next, dig another trench on the oposite side of the tree. There is alwyas a certain depth that most of the roots run. Usually it's two feet. Once you get through them, that's far enough. Try to angle the teeth of the bucket under the tree if you can. The more dirt you remove, the easier the tree falls, and the less it weighs when you move it.

Change the location of the backhoe. You want to be on the oposite side of the tree from where you want it to fall. When in position, I try to push the tree over right away. Sometimes they fall real easy, sometimes it takes a little effort of pushing. The bigger trees are always gonna take more effort.

If it wont go over, you'll need to break throught the roots on either side of the tree. Dig trenches on either side and then try pushing again.

Don't worry too much about the tree falling on it's own and killing you. I'm sure it could happen, but it's very unlikely. Those trees just don't fall over real easy. It's nothing like cutting with a chainsaw. It's a slow, gentle fall when they go over. In fact, most of the time, you can stop pushing it, and it will stop falling over. I've let trees lean at 45 degrees just to see what it looks like.

Once it's on the ground, use the backho to get the root ball out of the hole. Then wrap a chain around the base of the tree and hook it to the back of the backhoe. I have tie down locations on mine that I hook the chains to. then I just drive to where I want the tree, with the tree draging along behind me. In the rare instance where the tree is too big to drag, I cut it in half, and then drag it.

Eddie
 
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BobReeves said:
OK I am listening.. How would one tackle the dirt moving work with a LBH also how do you remove the trees? Actually with a LBH I could move the trees to another location Right? Saw it done on This Old House :)

I do have a little time on a trackhoe so the LBH wouldn't be completely foreign.

Bob, here are some pictures of the excavation for my house using a LBH. The first step was to shoot the grade to determine how deep the excavation would be when finished. This was done after removing several trees the size of the ones in the photos using the method Eddie described.

Next, they dug a trench at the deepest point down to final grade.

Finally when the trench was finished, they turned perpendicular to the trench and started taking out the slug of dirt dow to the final grade and measuring many times using the transit to establish a flat final elevation.

This was a simple job, but shows the technique. this excavation was basically a 4 hour job including hauling and piling up the spoils that I helped with using my tractor's FEL.
 

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