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[farmgirl19]

two_bit; In talking to my vet, it is likely that your dog finally developed a better immune system, and it happened about the same time you used the "old motor oil and diesel". Most dogs "outgrow" the issue, as their immune system becomes competent.

I will second sixdogs concerns and say you should cover yourself in it, and wear it a while, instead of covering the dog with it.

Yes, my dad used to say the same thing, so I know where the thought/idea comes from, but I think there are other things more useful today. Evidently, the dog in question just needs to find what works, while waiting for a good immune response. And this can be a warning, if the dog is immunocompromised, it is more susceptable to contracting other illnesses too, as it might not actaully mount an immune response to vaccines and such, until the immune system becomes "healthy". TomSeller's ideas might be well worth trying, since they worked well on his dog. Might be where I would start, if it were my dog. :2cents: Of course, I'd let my vet know, so anything that might conflict could be "caught" before making another problem.

 

[kw22614]

I think it might help and doesn't seem like much else is helping so far. It used to be the recommended treatment back when I was a kid. we only had to use it once but all the fox hunters and wolf hunters swore by it. I never knew any body to use anything else back then.

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I remember my grandpa used the same for his hunting dogs for any/all skin conditions, he filled up a big tub and just tossed them in and held them for a few min - he's probably rolling over in his grave knowing it's NOT what I'm doing for my dog. Back then I remember too everyone smoked in the dr's office and hospital - a more innocent(blissfully ignorant)time.
In these more enlightened times there are many less toxic treatments even if they take a little longer, but I do appreciate your offer of help/advise.

 

[kw22614]

As luck would have it, I found an old shampoo bottle. Virbac is the brand. Pyoben is the name. Contains Benzoyl Peroxide. The back says it is for follicular flushing which is where the mites live, down in the hair follicles, or I guess you would say fur follicles. No record of the shots. You HAVE to be diligent about the shampoo. No skipping of any days. Every day for 7 weeks, but don't worry, it goes fast. I always told her it was going to hurt me more than it hurt her. (she likes baths now)

Virbac Animal Health — PYOBENｮ Medicated Shampoo | United States

Thanks! Maybe the treatment changed since then or maybe it's regional how the ivermectin is administered. My vet said, and I do see a small bit of improvement, to administer daily - orally - for between 40 - 60 days maybe more if still affected, we're on day 12 tonight - she hates the taste but seems to tolerate it with no adverse side effects(our fingers stay crossed). The shampoo we're using is a diff name by diff brand but essentially the same make up - our's only has 2.5% benzol peroxide compared to your's 3% but has sulpher added. By directions on the bottle and vet instruction we're bathing her every 3 days, tomorrow will make bath #10, but only #4 with the ivermectin treatment. She has been a pool/water lover since very young and loves her baths, sometimes when she's out of eyesight and we look for her she's just hanging out in the tub!
Thanks very much Tom for going through the effort to find the info for me, it helps to know we're not alone in this. KW

 

[kw22614]

I'd be willing to bet the shots TomSeller mentioned is ivermectin. I had an uncle that had a dog with the problem of mange, and when the vet began giving the ivermection shots, it got better too. Never had a problem after that. Don't know if it was the same sort of mange, or not, but it worked for that dog, every well.

Thanks again farmgirl for your continued concern and support. Maybe the diff administering meathods of ivermectin are for diff strains of the mange mites. Chewy has Demodectic or 'red' or 'puppy' mange. We've also started incorporating several ingredients from the recipes you gave me. Thanks :thumbsup:

 

[two_bit_score]

two_bit; In talking to my vet, it is likely that your dog finally developed a better immune system, and it happened about the same time you used the "old motor oil and diesel". Most dogs "outgrow" the issue, as their immune system becomes competent.

I will second sixdogs concerns and say you should cover yourself in it, and wear it a while, instead of covering the dog with it.

Yes, my dad used to say the same thing, so I know where the thought/idea comes from, but I think there are other things more useful today. Evidently, the dog in question just needs to find what works, while waiting for a good immune response. And this can be a warning, if the dog is immunocompromised, it is more susceptable to contracting other illnesses too, as it might not actaully mount an immune response to vaccines and such, until the immune system becomes "healthy". TomSeller's ideas might be well worth trying, since they worked well on his dog. Might be where I would start, if it were my dog. :2cents: Of course, I'd let my vet know, so anything that might conflict could be "caught" before making another problem.

I'm taking your suggesting that I dip myself in the mange treatment with the levity I am sure you intended. It may not be what you would do and you may feel it inappropriate but I made the suggestion because I have seen it work and I hope Kw22614 can get his dog cured and realize he is not having much luck so far. So it was made in the spirit of helpfulness. Just like I would not suggest that you or another person should be 'put down' if you became old, feeble or incurably sick I am sure you don't really wish I would take your suggestion seriously either.

I remember my grandpa used the same for his hunting dogs for any/all skin conditions, he filled up a big tub and just tossed them in and held them for a few min - he's probably rolling over in his grave knowing it's NOT what I'm doing for my dog. Back then I remember too everyone smoked in the dr's office and hospital - a more innocent(blissfully ignorant)time.
In these more enlightened times there are many less toxic treatments even if they take a little longer, but I do appreciate your offer of help/advise.

I respect you to do what you think is best for your dog. And I hope your dog gets over this as soon as possible. I don't like for animals to suffer.

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[farmgirl19]

two_bit; Inflection cannot be added to a posting, any more than it can be an email. I'm sorry if my reply came across wrong. I would never dream of soaking one of my animals in burnt oil or diesel, any more than I would soak myself in it. After all, I don't eat processed dry food, so I do not feed it to my dogs. I cook for them too. But I do believe that all of us that visit this thread, want what is best for the critters. I was not trying to imply that you didn't care about the dog.

 

[sixdogs]

two_bit--same for me on the light hearted intention. I know that you and all of us here love our dogs.

 

[two_bit_score]

two_bit; Inflection cannot be added to a posting, any more than it can be an email. I'm sorry if my reply came across wrong. I would never dream of soaking one of my animals in burnt oil or diesel, any more than I would soak myself in it. After all, I don't eat processed dry food, so I do not feed it to my dogs. I cook for them too. But I do believe that all of us that visit this thread, want what is best for the critters. I was not trying to imply that you didn't care about the dog.

Well, FG, like I said, I know you meant it with levity.

BTW, we never soaked the dog in the mixture. We swabbed it on him with a small mop in the affected area. Now, somebody has mentioned dipping them but that's not what we did. Like a lot of home remedies there are many different applications. All the wolf hunters and fox hunters used it regularly. We only used it once and it worked. What can I say? Iy's possible, like you say, that it was coincidental that the mange cleared up on it's own but we only treated him for about a week.

 

[two_bit_score]

two_bit--same for me on the light hearted intention. I know that you and all of us here love our dogs.

I know you do. Thanks!

 

[dave1949]

Sharon grooms our dogs with Neem oil, mostly for tick repelling. That isn't 100% effective but she thinks it's better than using the commercial tick stuff like Frontline that is absorbed into the dog's skin. Ticks still bite the dog with Frontline, it kills them after they have fed on the blood.

She also adds garlic oil to their food. I don't think she's used sesame oil, which could be mixed with neem oil for deeper fur penetration according to this blog post:

Kill Mange - How I Cured My Dog From Mange: The WAR VS MANGE Begins with Neem Oil

Seems like sulfur is a common component to mange treatment. There is probably sulfur in old oil and fuel too, maybe more than now.

 

[kw22614]

Wow dave, thanks very much for your time spent on researching Chewy's mange and continued concern :thumbsup:. I've read similar reports and accounts of neem & sesame oil therapies. Haven't tried it yet. Seems like the injectable ivermectin given daily orally and Derma Benss shampoos every 3 days are starting to hopefully work. The extreme red, scaley and furrowed skin patches seem to be turning a lighter pink to tan color, the deep furrows seem to be getting shallower and smoother, and some tiny hair growth seems to be starting, at least in a few spots. She still has swollen glans and is still on daily antibiotic and pro/prebiotic, and calcium supp. She's not obsessively scratching and chewing like before but we still have to keep her from itching sometimes. I'll check with my vet to see about useing it while on this treatment. He recommended I stop the topical ointment I was using - Durvet's Nu-Stock ointment(73% sulfer, 25% mineral oil, 2% pine oil) when her mange went from localized to generalized, which I have.
She's been on monthly Sentinel since she's been old enough, and the diatomaceous earth we've been giving her since 3 months old. It's a pill for heart, whip and roundworms, as well as fleas and ticks. It's works well except for the occasional hitch-hiker ticks which are easy to pick off as they don't seem to dig it too deep or even eat/drink much. While on the ivermectin we were told to suspend the Sentinel as it's already an extremely high dose of pesticide.
She eats pretty well now, what a spoiled girl, she only likes her homemade food warm, will hardly touch it cold right out of the fridge!! She has regular bm's and normal stools. I think, hope, pray her immune system is starting to mature and kick in to help her heal herself. It's been a long tough battle with her health issues. She's only just 7 mos old, we've been fighting one ailment or another for about 5 mos. She honestly gets more healthcare than I do.

 

[dave1949]

Sharon uses just Interceptor. She tends to be a medicine minimalist and fleas haven't been an issue. Sentinel is described as being like Interceptor plus flea control.

I am learning all the time about these issues. We all want healthy pets and I'm sure we learn good things from each other.

This link has a clear description of the medicines and their use for heart worm, fleas, and intestinal parasite worms. Copy-paste doesn't work well on the link, but Part 7 is interesting regarding tape worms.

Sentinel For Dogs–Know Before You Buy | Amanda K. Jones

I don't know anything about Amanda K Jones, it appears she is a vet tech, all-around renaissance woman--and BeachBody coach? LOL Different generation. :laughing:

 

[kw22614]

Very interesting blog. Chewy never had flea prob - so Sentinel seems to be a good fit. She's had and been sick with tapeworms twice. I'd have thought the DE we give her would help but evidently not or she hadn't been on it long enough then. Vet said from eating deer and rabbit poop - her absolute favorite delicacies . First time they treated her with two pills on day of visit then 2 more 3 wks later(don't remember name of medication). 2nd time about 1&1/2 mo later they gave her an injection of something stronger(again don't remember name - they say the memory is the 1st thing to go and I can't remember the 2nd :confused3. There is no preventative or test for tapeworm. Only way to be sure is to bring in any found worms for ID. Always need to watch her - she knows how to find her delicacies and good and sneaky about it too :mur:.

 

[dave1949]

Oh yes, poop eating. The way our dogs go after deer poop is like throwing a glazed donut in front of me. :laughing: Our vet says the same thing about the poop eating and worms. Sharon's about ready to get muzzles to see if she can get them out of the habit. For our older dog especially, going for a walk means searching for poop.

Good luck and I hope Chewy continues to improve.

 

[dave1949]

We've talked about how dog breeds have been transformed over the years, not always for the better. Here are some comparisons of old to current:
The Truth About Purebred Dogs Will Absolutely Disgust You

 

[TomSeller]

We've talked about how dog breeds have been transformed over the years, not always for the better. Here are some comparisons of old to current:
The Truth About Purebred Dogs Will Absolutely Disgust You

Incredible. My latest dog is a rescue, the healthiest dog I ever had. Heinz 57 from now on for me.

 

[farmgirl19]

Incredible. My latest dog is a rescue, the healthiest dog I ever had. Heinz 57 from now on for me.

Rescue dogs also seem to appreciate having a home. I have both, show and rescue. I currently have one of each. (I just have no time to train and show anymore.) The nice thing about show Beagles, is the parent club still hunts, so in order to actually win in the breed ring, it has to have the structure to hunt all day too. We raised GSDs when I was a kid, but they didn't look anything like today's dogs you will see in the show ring.

 

[rekees4300]

Our "kids" from left to right: Corky, Sadie, Ladybug, Duke

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[Boondox]

The name of the thread is Dog pics, not dog talk...

 

[Adamlight]

This my 2 year old blue heeler Dingo