DK4510 - running PTO while out of operators station

[IndyJay]

I’m a standard transmission guy - only experience with HST is my Husky lawn tractor. Is there no neutral on the range selector? For the sake of this exchange however, I would prefer to think of that as a hydrostatic brake. If the engine is running, and all you have to do is step on a pedal to get the tractor to move - then can it Really be called neutral?

According to the boolean logic, yes.
&& = "AND"; || = "OR"
Bottom diagram is engine STOP control:

For Manual: IF "seat is empty (off) " AND "parking brake not engaged (open)" > STOP engine
<OR>
For HST: IF "seat is empty (off)" AND "HST pedal neutral SW not in neutral (on)" > STOP engine

Looks like the interlock is not even looking at PTO for the engine "stop" condition, only for engine "start".

 

[TmbrWlkr]

So.............. my interpretation of that chart is that there IS an HST neutral position? Correct, or No?

 

[Midniteoyl]

C'mon people..

Butt in seat, in Neutral, foot on Brake (not parking brake), and yes, obviously PTO off = can Start

in Neutral, Parking Brake on, PTO On = can leave seat and PTO runs.

It's not rocket science here..

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Yes, there is a Neutral. No, it's not the same as swash plate at zero-pitch while in gear (H/M/L).

 

[TmbrWlkr]

Thanks - new to Kioti - appreciate that

 

[ljjhouser]

I was told (in Arkansas) many large farms use tractors everyday only to drive irrigation pumps with the pto. My Kubota dealer had several used tractors one time and they looked like new. He told me that everything on them was basically new but the PTO (and the engine, of course). I think they had several thousand hours on them. Larry

 

[twowoode]

I have a Massey 1723 and it shuts off but you can lift the seat and flip the lever all the way down and it stays. You have to remember to flip it back up or there goes your safety

 

[Tony H]

This is an email from Kioti Corporate to me dealer - Today!

"All of our current production tractors utilize a seat switch. If the PTO is running , the operator stands up off the seat, the engine will shut down in 3or 4 seconds as the engine is starved of fuel. This is for safety, as it is unsafe for PTO driven equipment to be running when the tractor has no operator on the tractor. Older CK and DK tractors did not have a seat switch, and standing up off the seat did not cause the engine to shut down. Seat switches are now required."

But - the manual says tranny in neutral and brake on ........ for fixed PTO implements .............. kind of confusing.

Seems like it is an engineering oversight to design a machine that won't run: chippers, 3 pt winches, log splitters, etc etc.

Dealer said to me - " we'll just bypass the safety switch" ........... hmmm

It's Liability nonsense. Having said that, the dealer could be lots of trouble by telling you to bypass. He should not tell you that, but yeah, I'd bypass it. I get crazy using my friends AG tractor. When sneaking up on something with the front bucket, I tend to get up off the seat for a better view... Damn engine quits everytime. I don't have this "safety Switch" on my construction backhoe. It is a nuisance

 

[TmbrWlkr]

On many brands the safety switch is on a "plug". You could possibly make a bypass to to fit the plug - leave it in the tool box, with the keys, or someplace convenient.

Good luck

 

[grsthegreat]

I’m just glad there’s an seat switch on my cabbed dk45. I’m always leaning off of seat when using forks

 

[IndyJay]

On many brands the safety switch is on a "plug". You could possibly make a bypass to to fit the plug - leave it in the tool box, with the keys, or someplace convenient.

Good luck

There are many sellers online for the jumpered plug for the DK10 series.