Differences betwen 3 pt and subframe backhoes?

[Backwoods Welding]

The only things we broke was we bent the top link pin and the relief valve on the PTO pump blew out so we plumbed the valves with hoses and quick couplers and we run it off the wet lines on the tractor. Just kick it into detent. It is faster and stronger.

 

[oldpilgrim]

After several years, I plumbed the bh into the tractor hydro system instead of the PTO pump. It was much better that way.

 

[GPintheMitten]

Repair on a tractor that breaks from a 3 pt backhoe could exceed the $2K for a subframe.

Sure everyone says they only need to do light weight work and will take it easy. Then you sit in the seat for 3 hours trying to get a stump out and you will want to get aggressive.

 

[5030]

After several years, I plumbed the bh into the tractor hydro system instead of the PTO pump. It was much better that way.

That don't apply universally. You got lucky. Different hoes require different flow rates. No 2 hoes are alike.

 

[Looking4new]

I think you guys have pretty well got me convinced to go with the subframe how. When I am looking now and emailling people I ask about subframe mounts and if no, then I take them off my list.
The conversation goes like this, 'is there a subframe with your hoe?'
'No'?
'Thanks anyway' and I hang up. Or something like, 'sorry for wasting your time, goodbye'.
I know I can get aggressive when it comes to running a hoe. I ran a Case 580 C a bit back in the '80's.

 

[Coyote machine]

I think you guys have pretty well got me convinced to go with the subframe how. When I am looking now and emailling people I ask about subframe mounts and if no, then I take them off my list.
The conversation goes like this, 'is there a subframe with your hoe?'
'No'?
'Thanks anyway' and I hang up. Or something like, 'sorry for wasting your time, goodbye'.
I know I can get aggressive when it comes to running a hoe. I ran a Case 580 C a bit back in the '80's.

You won't be disappointed with a subframe Kioti hoe. I've used the KB-2485 hoe on both my original DK-35 and now my DK-40, and it is a strong hoe attached to either tractor. I have a custom made ripper tooth that I use to tear out tree stump roots, then the stump submits. It's amazing what I've been able to destroy with the ripper claw that I could NEVER accomplish with a hoe bucket.

 

[fried1765]

Thanks people. I am waiting for a couple of replies to emails and phone calls. I think I will be going with the subframe model. I'm just not sure yet that it will be a Kioti hoe.
The cheaper one I quoted in my original post was exclusively a 3 pt. hoe and no way they would supply a subframe, so they ruled themselves out of the race.

It appears that you already have your answer!
A 3pt hitch backhoe is for very light duty, very occasional use,.... essentially a toy.
A sub-frame hoe is what you need, unless you are willing to destroy your tractor.

 

[Ron50]

I have subframe and run off tractor hydraulics at 1400 rpms. Plenty of speed for my hoe use. For what you are spending, if it fits your situation, you might want to look at good used mini excavators. Faster to move around a stump and much easier to dig trenches with. A tractor backhoe is a compromise in my opinion.

 

[Looking4new]

Mini excavators around here go for $20,000. and up. TBH is a compromise.

 

[Tony H]

Subframe Equals strength. 3Pt Hitch.. while yanking roots, probably crack the Mounts off the tractor. Kubota went down this road with their 3000 series. They offered 3Pt hitch Backhoes and the tractor tore itself up. Subframe mounts now