Difference Between CK, DK, and NX line ?

[Tigershark]

The DK SE does not come standard with telescoping arms and stabilizers, for the price that should have been standard and not an upgrade IMO. Any tractor that size should have it standard. There are very few standards on the DK SE no linked pedal, cruise etc. it is pretty basic lots of options to add though. The NX cab feels a lot more open and has more room, windows open etc.

 

[bigcut]

The DK SE does not come standard with telescoping arms and stabilizers, for the price that should have been standard and not an upgrade IMO. Any tractor that size should have it standard. There are very few standards on the DK SE no linked pedal, cruise etc. it is pretty basic lots of options to add though. The NX cab feels a lot more open and has more room, windows open etc.

Thank you Tiger, That's the kind of insight I was looking for withOUT contacting a dealer. If and when I decide to reach the Dealer, I want to have a foundation of info already. Sounds like the DKSE doesn't get you a whole lot without going the options route. It's puzzling that the website doesn't reflect the info you shared on the NX.

I wonder if you add up the cost of the options for the DKSE, like the stabilizers/arms, pedal links, cruise etc., how close it is to the equivalent standard NX cost. Maybe I'll check that out.
Thanks again,
John

 

[CMV]

Thank you Tiger, That's the kind of insight I was looking for withOUT contacting a dealer. If and when I decide to reach the Dealer, I want to have a foundation of info already. Sounds like the DKSE doesn't get you a whole lot without going the options route. It's puzzling that the website doesn't reflect the info you shared on the NX.

I wonder if you add up the cost of the options for the DKSE, like the stabilizers/arms, pedal links, cruise etc., how close it is to the equivalent standard NX cost. Maybe I'll check that out.
Thanks again,
John

That is why i skipped the DK series completely when shopping. Started by looking at C3510HST. Wanted more loader height but DK w/HST not yet available at the time. Preliminary price quotes however put it right there with NX so didn't really consider DK.

Now that they are in the wild prices might be different than what i was quoted for DK SE HST. And cab in mix might be bigger separation between them.

And I think post above is incorrect. Regular DK does not come standard with telescoping 3pt arms and stabilizers. SE does.

Another note...with Kioti you can also choose some upgrades a la carte. You just want the telescoping 3pt parts but don't want to pay the whole SE upgrade price for just those....get a regular DK and then just pay a little more for that one upgrade.

Also NX has a few things you don't/can't get with a smaller frame even with SE. Might be features you couldn't care less about having like stall guard, pto cruise, auto pto, etc. but some features are NX specific. Sadly even a $5 plastic toolbox isn't among those on the NX though....

I really like my Kioti and really liked the other models of Kioti I looked at. My gripes are very trivial things....like lack of toolbox or pins to fold ROPS. However you will see a recurring theme with Kioti owners that their documentation is lacking. Their unclear website for example. Owners manual same way for not being world class to put it nicely. No electronic version owners manual from factory. That's why a trip to dealer....or just a phone call even....would really help you understand the differences because it does get confusing if you're going between CK, DK, NX and then throwing SE into mix on top of that. 5 variants all with slight feature differences is hard to keep straight. This comes with 2 remotes, that comes with one, this has wire spiral hydraulic line covers, that doesn't, this comes with no mirror, that comes with one or two, etc....all small (other than remotes), but hard to keep straight. I literally parked 4 machines side by side and just went from one to next to fully understand this vs that.

Small additional note....all had nice seats, but NX was noticeably more comfortable to me.

 

[bigcut]

That is why i skipped the DK series completely when shopping. Started by looking at C3510HST. Wanted more loader height but DK w/HST not yet available at the time. Preliminary price quotes however put it right there with NX so didn't really consider DK.

Now that they are in the wild prices might be different than what i was quoted for DK SE HST. And cab in mix might be bigger separation between them.

And I think post above is incorrect. Regular DK does not come standard with telescoping 3pt arms and stabilizers. SE does.

Another note...with Kioti you can also choose some upgrades a la carte. You just want the telescoping 3pt parts but don't want to pay the whole SE upgrade price for just those....get a regular DK and then just pay a little more for that one upgrade.

Also NX has a few things you don't/can't get with a smaller frame even with SE. Might be features you couldn't care less about having like stall guard, pto cruise, auto pto, etc. but some features are NX specific. Sadly even a $5 plastic toolbox isn't among those on the NX though....

I really like my Kioti and really liked the other models of Kioti I looked at. My gripes are very trivial things....like lack of toolbox or pins to fold ROPS. However you will see a recurring theme with Kioti owners that their documentation is lacking. Their unclear website for example. Owners manual same way for not being world class to put it nicely. No electronic version owners manual from factory. That's why a trip to dealer....or just a phone call even....would really help you understand the differences because it does get confusing if you're going between CK, DK, NX and then throwing SE into mix on top of that. 5 variants all with slight feature differences is hard to keep straight. This comes with 2 remotes, that comes with one, this has wire spiral hydraulic line covers, that doesn't, this comes with no mirror, that comes with one or two, etc....all small (other than remotes), but hard to keep straight. I literally parked 4 machines side by side and just went from one to next to fully understand this vs that.

Small additional note....all had nice seats, but NX was noticeably more comfortable to me.

I think you got a great machine....and hey when you sat in that seat and it felt right.....that says it's meant to be.

For me, I am thinking about buying it for my son-in-law who is looking to purchase a home with small acreage. He's 6-4 and in need of something with a larger cab to fit his long legs. He's skinny but tall.
So, I'm kind of bidding time until he gets the house/land issue resolved. I plan on doing this as a surprise for him. This affords me time to do research.

Thanks for providing insight. You know your Kioti's !!
John

 

[CMV]

What is "small acreage"? I have 7 and NX is way overkill for 99% of what I need a tractor for. I needed as close to 8' dump clearance on loader bucket as I could get so that unusual requirement on my shopping list put me in much larger frame sizes than I need for general tasks. CK3510HST with just the telescoping 3pt upgrades would be more than enough. I don't regret having the mass, power, stronger loader, better traction, more comfortable ride, all the NX extras (most of which go unused), but none are necessary most of the time.

Depending what "small acreage" means to you....an NX with loader and a 6' bush hog is a good 21' long so that's something to consider if mowing will be a task and there are lots of obstacles or tight spaces. Turns pretty tight for it's size, but still have several areas I'm spending lots of time doing little K turns or making a complete circle to catch one little strip. Still faster overall than my little tractor with 5' bush hog, but wasn't the dramatic difference in time I expected due to the additional time navigating tight spaces. A CK3510 with loader and 5' bush hog is probably closer to 17' overall length - 4' difference nothing in a wide open field, kind of a big deal going around sheds, gardens, landscaping, odd shaped parcel mowing patterns....just one more consideration to muddy it up for you

 

[bigcut]

What is "small acreage"? I have 7 and NX is way overkill for 99% of what I need a tractor for. I needed as close to 8' dump clearance on loader bucket as I could get so that unusual requirement on my shopping list put me in much larger frame sizes than I need for general tasks. CK3510HST with just the telescoping 3pt upgrades would be more than enough. I don't regret having the mass, power, stronger loader, better traction, more comfortable ride, all the NX extras (most of which go unused), but none are necessary most of the time.

Depending what "small acreage" means to you....an NX with loader and a 6' bush hog is a good 21' long so that's something to consider if mowing will be a task and there are lots of obstacles or tight spaces. Turns pretty tight for it's size, but still have several areas I'm spending lots of time doing little K turns or making a complete circle to catch one little strip. Still faster overall than my little tractor with 5' bush hog, but wasn't the dramatic difference in time I expected due to the additional time navigating tight spaces. A CK3510 with loader and 5' bush hog is probably closer to 17' overall length - 4' difference nothing in a wide open field, kind of a big deal going around sheds, gardens, landscaping, odd shaped parcel mowing patterns....just one more consideration to muddy it up for you

CMV,
He's been looking at places with an avg. of 7 acres....5-9. You're right, the NX is probably overkill, hence by questions about the DKSE and the features and options. He gonna need a cab, due to his allergies and for comfort in winter removing driveway snow, road grading/maintenance. moving hay for a couple of cows, etc. The cab needs to be large enough to be comfortable for his height. I really like the LS tractors but their cab would be to small.

I agree with your comment about some features/options being a waste, ie turn assist, pto cruise, etc.

So, I enjoy gathering the information in trying to narrow down the choices and best fit for whatever property he ends up getting.
Enjoy your NX !!

 

[rngrrymd]

CMV,
He's been looking at places with an avg. of 7 acres....5-9. You're right, the NX is probably overkill, hence by questions about the DKSE and the features and options. He gonna need a cab, due to his allergies and for comfort in winter removing driveway snow, road grading/maintenance. moving hay for a couple of cows, etc. The cab needs to be large enough to be comfortable for his height. I really like the LS tractors but their cab would be to small.

I agree with your comment about some features/options being a waste, ie turn assist, pto cruise, etc.

So, I enjoy gathering the information in trying to narrow down the choices and best fit for whatever property he ends up getting.
Enjoy your NX !!

I recommend you take a drive out to Hoover's Tractor and check them out one day. You can compare print specs all day long but until you get on them and crawl around them, under them and top of them it's just paper specs. If he's going to need a cab then you're looking at the NX.

 

[bigcut]

I recommend you take a drive out to Hoover's Tractor and check them out one day. You can compare print specs all day long but until you get on them and crawl around them, under them and top of them it's just paper specs. If he's going to need a cab then you're looking at the NX.

Good suggestion. There are a few dealers closer to me. However, Hoover probably has a bigger inventory. I'll have to check them out.

 

[Threepoint]

[snip] If he's going to need a cab then you're looking at the NX.

All of the CK and DK SE series models are available with factory cabs.

Bigcut, regarding roominess, I recall that another TBN member who is 6' 4" recently posted that the cab on his new CK (either a CK3510SE Cab or CK4010SE Cab) was plenty big enough for him. Since then, I've sat in both the new CK SE and DK SE cabs, and was surprised at how large they are. Not quite as much space as on the NX series, particularly front to back, but don't rule them out without checking them in person.

 

[bigcut]

All of the CK and DK SE series models are available with factory cabs.

Bigcut, regarding roominess, I recall that another TBN member who is 6' 4" recently posted that the cab on his new CK (either a CK3510SE Cab or CK4010SE Cab) was plenty big enough for him. Since then, I've sat in both the new CK SE and DK SE cabs, and was surprised at how large they are. Not quite as much space as on the NX series, particularly front to back, but don't rule them out without checking them in person.

Thanks Threepoint. I personally like LS, but their larger cut with cab is just too small. As testified to by taller posters.

My hesitation with the CK is the drop in PTO hp. They have a 39 hp unit which I think would be fine, but, the PTO drops to 29. That's a big drop. I was hoping for a PTO of about 35 hp. Something strong enough to run some meaningful implements if desired.

I will definitely check out the cab models of the CK and DK. Thanks

 

[RandyinTN]

Sit in a tractor before even considering it. One of my friends has a Mahindra 1538 and swore by it. I was convinced it was also the tractor for me. Finally made it to the dealer to get a price and do a walk a round, etc. I am only 5-10 and could barely get in the seat with almost no room to lift my legs to use the pedals. From then on my policy was to sit in a tractor before even asking for a price.

The NX was the most comfortable of them all and compared to Kubota L series and the Branson

 

[Z-Michigan]

The older DK痴 (40)were a fully loaded tractor, mine is a 2014. Besides being a tier 3 vs tier 4 engine it is much closer relative to the nx series versus the newer DK痴.

That's what makes it confusing IMO.
The older DK's were the fully featured models.
Now it is the NX and the new DK's are the basic models.

Yes, I previously owned a DK40SE HST and I was surprised at how much of a base or "stripper" model the DK5010 turned out to be. The bones are good but the feature list is short. Yes, I did review the brochure/website and talk with the dealer first, there are only so many things you can think of to ask about! There are also many details of construction that would never make it into a brochure but are major differences once you spend hours (more than just a test-drive) with a machine.

Kioti, stay with model-naming conventions long term like Kubota and others do. Confusing people is not helpful and isn't good for your long-term sales and market position.

 

[PA hayseed]

One minor thing to consider is how much the cab features take away in performance. My dealer was the one who brought it up to me, and said that going 5 more hp wasn't a big difference in price, basically the same tractor, and if the AC is running on High with blowers going full, the extra 5 hp might come in handy. like my truck going up the mountain with the ac going full bore and putting the hammer down to pass someone, there is a difference with the AC on and off. you really notice the difference in a four cylinder.

just something else to consider when making your decision.

 

[PA hayseed]

Yes, I previously owned a DK40SE HST and I was surprised at how much of a base or "stripper" model the DK5010 turned out to be. The bones are good but the feature list is short. Yes, I did review the brochure/website and talk with the dealer first, there are only so many things you can think of to ask about! There are also many details of construction that would never make it into a brochure but are major differences once you spend hours (more than just a test-drive) with a machine.

Kioti, stay with model-naming conventions long term like Kubota and others do. Confusing people is not helpful and isn't good for your long-term sales and market position.

I agree, when I got rid of my dkse I was shocked to see what doesn't come in a Kioti anymore. For all of us who own or have owned an "older" Kioti, guess we got in while the "gettin was good".

 

[swnoel]

I couldn't imagine owning any tractor without telescopic arms and stabilizers... then again I have quite a few implements that I change out regularly.

 

[finn1]

One minor thing to consider is how much the cab features take away in performance. My dealer was the one who brought it up to me, and said that going 5 more hp wasn't a big difference in price, basically the same tractor, and if the AC is running on High with blowers going full, the extra 5 hp might come in handy. like my truck going up the mountain with the ac going full bore and putting the hammer down to pass someone, there is a difference with the AC on and off. you really notice the difference in a four cylinder.

just something else to consider when making your decision.

If the power draw of a modern a/c unit makes or breaks completing a job, you probably bought the wrong tractor.

Also, there is an off button on the a/c control, if you’re cutting it that close on power.

 

[Threepoint]

If the power draw of a modern a/c unit makes or breaks completing a job, you probably bought the wrong tractor.

Also, there is an off button on the a/c control, if you羆*e cutting it that close on power.

Except to be fair that's not really what he said. His point was to consider how the features of a cab can affect the performance a buyer might be expecting from the rated hp. A/C can indeed reduce delivered power by as much a 5 hp in these CUTs , so good for his dealer for pointing that out. Too, shutting off the A/C on a hot day is not really an option in a cab tractor, even if you have side windows and a rear window to open.