diesel prices

[JD230511]

I like an optimist. I don't believe you will prevail however......

Your probably right.

 

[the6shooter]

Well time for my 2 Cents, this is one we can't blame the governmet for.
We have to blame this on the speculators, and the oil companies. this is Payback for the canadian pipeline, and the Iranians. there's alot of surplus on the market, and the europeians have been cut off from the iranian oil. and the American oil companies are making a fortune from the europeans, so they are selling our fuels to europe, at a real over the top profit margin. There's alot more to the Canadian oil sands thing that they are not telling. But I am NOT even going there. But you can research it for yourself and find out what I found out about it.
david

 

[MissouriSprayer]

Speculators bet on what price will do, they don't set price. They bet based on what they see demand being vs what supply is. Foevery bet it will go up there must be a better who says it will go down.This entire blame futures traders is one of the best played political moves Ive ever seen. If Obama had said yes to off shore and yes to anwar and yes to the keystone, supply would increase, demand is already down and the risk of the Iran situation would decline.

Put this old smelly pile on the doorstep of 1600 Penn Ave.

Diesel hit $4 today in western Missouri.

 

[rsewill]

you WANT? to support illegal aliens here, ILLEGALLY, with your tax money?

send me your address.. I'll try to send you ours from florida. I"M TIRED of paying for ILLEGAL aliens, not LEGALLY suposed to be here!

that address if you please????

sheesh!

soundguy

What does the road tax on fuel have to do with illegal aliens ??? It was bigoted trying to tie the two together. Nothing more, nothing less.

I am happily married to a naturalized citizen from Mexico. She has two masters degrees, a PhD and is a professor at a university. And she experiences bigotry all the time. She never complains but if I'm there I don't hesitate to point out to a bigot just what they are. My usual response is, "Bigoted much?"

 

[rsewill]

I am a "lefty". It really chaps my ***** when I hear people talk about supporting illegal aliens. If their first act in setting foot in our country is to break the law, then I don't want them here, regardless of the argument.

People break the law everyday. Most of us couldn't drive 20 miles without breaking at least one. Doesn't make it right but it happens. But I can think of a lot of crimes that are worse than crossing a border to get a job that pays squat. One worse crime would be hiring an undocumented worker. If sleazy employers didn't hire undocumented workers they wouldn't cross illegally.

 

[AKfish]

Doesn't make it right but it happens.

One worse crime would be hiring an undocumented worker. If sleazy employers didn't hire undocumented workers they wouldn't cross illegally.

Bingo! Now that's a real "circular" discussion... If I could hire American's I would; but, they don't want to do this kind of work; so, I hire aliens.

It's not my fault they're "illegals".

Dang... it really p!sses me off that they need medical care and their kids have to be in "our" schools and they're driving on "our" roads - on and on!

But, they pay into social security (millions in never collected payments) and state and federal income taxes (millions in unrefunded payments).

And, I really get p!ssed when the Feds come onto my farm and into my plant and haul off those workers! Why can't the government mind it's own business and leave me to run mine...??

Duh and Duh..

AKfish

 

[Loren49]

Speculators bet on what price will do, they don't set price. They bet based on what they see demand being vs what supply is. Foevery bet it will go up there must be a better who says it will go down.This entire blame futures traders is one of the best played political moves Ive ever seen. If Obama had said yes to off shore and yes to anwar and yes to the keystone, supply would increase, demand is already down and the risk of the Iran situation would decline.

Put this old smelly pile on the doorstep of 1600 Penn Ave.

Diesel hit $4 today in western Missouri.

Federal report: U.S. oil imports down, domestic production highest since 2003 - latimes.com
According to the study, the United States reduced net imports of crude oil last year by 10%, or 1 million barrels a day. The U.S. now imports 45% of its petroleum, down from 57% in 2008,

Imports have fallen, in part, because the United States has increased domestic oil and gas production in recent years.

U.S. crude oil production increased by an estimated 120,000 barrels a day last year over 2010, the report says. Current production, about 5.6 million barrels a day, is the highest since 2003.

More domestic drilling will not end the need for imports, however. The United States holds only 2% of the planet痴 proven oil reserves, but Americans consume 25% of the world痴 daily output of crude oil.

Loren

 

[5030]

What does the road tax on fuel have to do with illegal aliens ??? It was bigoted trying to tie the two together. Nothing more, nothing less.

I am happily married to a naturalized citizen from Mexico. She has two masters degrees, a PhD and is a professor at a university. And she experiences bigotry all the time. She never complains but if I'm there I don't hesitate to point out to a bigot just what they are. My usual response is, "Bigoted much?"

Everything todo with........

Because taxes on motor fuel go in the same coffer that supports ALL government progrems. Throw it in the pot and distribute it......

By the way, I take it you like Mexican food.......:laughing:

 

[AKfish]

Everything todo with........

Because taxes on motor fuel go in the same coffer that supports ALL government progrems. Throw it in the pot and distribute it......

By the way, I take it you like Mexican food.......:laughing:

We raise bees on our little farm. Couple of hives with extra supers - barter some; give most of it away to friends and relatives. Charity, I guess.

Bees pollinate over 70% of the food crops that American's put on their plate every day. They're essential to food production in this country - vital!

Alien workers are just like honey bees! We need - farmer's and Ag producers - could not put all the food on American's plates every day without foreign workers; legal and illegal. That's the REALITY...

Wringing your hands and pullin' your hair out and cussing about "illegals" does not change that reality. And listening to Rush and Bill and those guys doesn't solve the problem, either; for them or us!

Yep.. I love Mexican food and Chinese and Phillapino. And the coffee I really like the most - Guatemalan!!

AKfish

 

[Herkypilot]

Bingo! Now that's a real "circular" discussion... If I could hire American's I would; but, they don't want to do this kind of work; so, I hire aliens.

It's not my fault they're "illegals".

Dang... it really p!sses me off that they need medical care and their kids have to be in "our" schools and they're driving on "our" roads - on and on!

But, they pay into social security (millions in never collected payments) and state and federal income taxes (millions in unrefunded payments).

AKfish

AK, perhaps you could enlighten us on what Social Security number are payments being made? The same question goes for what SSN are state & federal income taxes being paid? Illegals don't have one issued from the SS administration unless something has changed. Are they still using this "taxpayer ID" so as to collect taxes from illegals but the gov't isn't admitting to anything?

 

[rtd]

This is an interesting thread. There's a lot of diversity of opinion and that's a good thing.

I've read through many, but far from all, of the comments so what I'm saying might have been stated before, but, I believe that the current administration wants fuel prices to be high. With high prices there's supposedly a greater incentive to develop alternative energy sources.

However, while we're waiting for some alternative to reduce oil consumption, freeing up more for vehicle, and tractor, use, we are stuck with high prices that will get higher. BTW, where I am, today's price for diesel at the pump is $4.159.

FWIW, bio-diesel is hard to find around here, and from what I understand, it's more expensive than petroleum diesel. I don't mind since I'm not sure that burning corn is it's best use.

 

[AKfish]

AK, perhaps you could enlighten us on what Social Security number are payments being made? The same question goes for what SSN are state & federal income taxes being paid? Illegals don't have one issued from the SS administration unless something has changed. Are they still using this "taxpayer ID" so as to collect taxes from illegals but the gov't isn't admitting to anything?

This is a "clipping" from the Capital Press - a weekly, AgriBusiness newspaper that I subscribe to. It is generally, a pro-Ag, pro-business newspaper and as such; very conservative, politically.

The following is from one of the columists - recently deceased; unfortunately - Bill Duncan. Please feel free to search the archives of the newspaper as well as the archives of the New York Times for further info.

I recently read a book by Presbyterian minister Ben Daniel, "Neighbor: Christian Encounters with 'Illegal' Immigration," in which he said he wanted to ease the fears of people who are afraid the American face in the future will look more like Mexico and Central America than that of northern Europe or New England.

"In the parable of the Good Samaritan, Jesus teaches his disciples that the neighbor is the Samaritan, an object of prejudice and scorn among Jesus' followers," he said. "I believe God calls us to think of undocumented migrants not with scorn, but with kindness, hospitality and even gratitude."

It is often claimed that the undocumented drain financial resources of states. Daniel disputes this, saying that undocumented immigrants contribute to our economy in several ways.

"Without undocumented labor, our food would be a lot more expensive because something like 70 percent of American agricultural workers are undocumented laborers, working at or below minimum wage," he said. "Americans pay less for food, per capita, than anyone else in the developed world. If those workers were deported, it would cause a food crisis in America, and the cost of eating would skyrocket."

He noted that many undocumented workers use false Social Security numbers to obtain jobs. Employers deduct payroll taxes from their paychecks, which means that the federal government garners income tax and Social Security withholdings from these workers. He said, according to the New York Times, undocumented workers paid something like $7 billion into the Social Security program that they will never collect.

I think since my day as a fieldworker, the short-handled hoe has been eliminated, but frankly not even a long-handled hoe fits well in my hand. The government should reconsider the Bracero program as a way of providing farm labor and, as Daniel said, provide a valuable resource that over the years has been the foundation for the development of the rich American agricultural industry.

Bill Duncan can be reached by writing to P.O. Box 812, Roseburg, OR 97470.

In addition, undocumented laborers pay into F.I.C.A. and do not normally seek out payment for Worker Compensation when injured or sick on the job - nor do they seek out Unemployment Benefits when layed off or fired. They would likely get arrested!

Nonetheless, they pay and pay and pay... that's the REAL world - however, not the same as Billy O'Rielly would like you to see it!

Oh yeah, $4.80 here in Alaska for diesel - home to 20% of America's daily oil production! 80,000 barrel/day refinery that's 50 miles from my doorstep - go figure!

AKfish

 

[Herkypilot]

Actually that's a bit one-sided. There's also a large problem with identity theft with using false SSN's. Just wait until the real owner of that SSN tries to collect on SS at retirement. The SS administration locks up the payment until the real owner can prove it's theirs. I know you need your workers, but hiring illegals causes real damage, no matter how you wish to wrap it up and justify it.
The right avenue is to write your senators and congressmen to issue more work visas for these people.

I don't think it's too much to ask that the country's laws are obeyed.

 

[AKfish]

Actually that's a bit one-sided. There's also a large problem with identity theft with using false SSN's. Just wait until the real owner of that SSN tries to collect on SS at retirement. The SS administration locks up the payment until the real owner can prove it's theirs. I know you need your workers, but hiring illegals causes real damage, no matter how you wish to wrap it up and justify it.
The right avenue is to write your senators and congressmen to issue more work visas for these people.

I don't think it's too much to ask that the country's laws are obeyed.

The point being; illegal aliens or alien workers are VITAL to the nation's production of food!

In Oregon alone - if 50% of foreign workers were denied the opportunity to work - it would result in $18 Billion dollars in lost economic activity!

The 2nd critical point being; illegal aliens pay and have paid an incredible sum into the nation's federal and state treasuries!

I see them every year in Alaska. They process the crab and salmon and halibut and clams and scallops that all American's look forward to seeing on their plates at Red Lobster and Skipper's and Long John Silver's and etc. etc.

We need laws that benefit laborers, businesses and the American public - cooperatively. Not foolish demagogary and flaming rhetoric.

AKfish

 

[Herkypilot]

The point being; illegal aliens or alien workers are VITAL to the nation's production of food!

Not foolish demagogary and flaming rhetoric.

AKfish

None of which I used.
You point out all the pluses but no down sides, and there are many, from overcrowding schools, to using medical care and skipping out on the bill. The ones that do pay taxes, only do so because they have to, to work in the system. They have no patriotic duty as "Americans" to keep the country running. If you want to really be fair, the businesses you claim to not have Americans wanting to do those jobs, the fact is it's well documented that those same business are USING illegal laborers to avoid paying the higher rates Americans will work for, therefore increasing the bottom line for the business. Hey, I don't like unions any more than businesses do, and they are certainly responsible for jacking up labor rates.

We can just agree to disagree here and press on with the diesel discussion.

 

[rsewill]

Oh yeah, $4.80 here in Alaska for diesel - home to 20% of America's daily oil production! 80,000 barrel/day refinery that's 50 miles from my doorstep - go figure!

AKfish

Maybe the oil companies are screwing you over because of the socialist policies of Half-Governor Palin when she increased the payout from the Permanent Fund (funded primarily from the oil companies) to $3269/person for 2008, her last full year as Half-Governor. Dang socialist Republicans are running the show in Alaska and you are paying for it at the pump.

 

[JD230511]

I called today and got a price for off road diesel. It's 3.29 a gallon they are bring out 100 gallons tomorrow

 

[spruce Deere]

I have an old acquaintance who has been making bio-diesel from vegi-oil for his own operations wich use an average 500 gallons of fuel a day.

Out of the blue he visited me yesterday. After some small catch-up talk he said its been 3 years to build up to what we have wanted to on the bio-diesel production side........We now offer top quality bio-diesel for sale to the public.

They sell it for the going off-road fuel price, and it is not died.

 

[remington270]

I have an old acquaintance who has been making bio-diesel from vegi-oil for his own operations wich use an average 500 gallons of fuel a day.

Out of the blue he visited me yesterday. After some small catch-up talk he said its been 3 years to build up to what we have wanted to on the bio-diesel production side........We now offer top quality bio-diesel for sale to the public.

They sell it for the going off-road fuel price, and it is not died.

Not to be a cynic, but if it's the same price as diesel, what's the
Advantage? (besides environment)

 

[spruce Deere]

Not to be a cynic, but if it's the same price as diesel, what's the
Advantage? (besides environment)

Well, one advantage would be NOT having to pay the average .50 cent tax more a gallon for an 'on-road' use fuel.

Get caught with the cheaper died diesel in your pick-up, grain truck, log truck, Volkswagen or what ever it will become not cheap very fast.

The other advantage would be the ease of just one diesel fuel for off-road use and on road use.

There is expenses of making bio-fuel. And if the most one would pay for good quality regular vegi-diesel is at most the price of conventional dino 'off-road' fuel, I'm thinking there gunna be some folks interested.