Diesel Pickups

[RobertN]

The Cat engine I suggested is an inline 6.

I see it. Looks interesting...

Caterpillar On-Highway Engines: Truck>On-Highway Truck Engines>C7

 

[KICK]

I've had both gas and Diesel powered 1 tons, and I tend to think most people are better off buying the gasser. easier to get fuel, fuel is a little cheaper even though you are going to burn more of it, it is easier to find a place to repair it if you are mechanically challenged.

New Diesel technology with VNT's and EGR is raising the cost of ownership thru more expensive repairs and complexity. VNt's don't last as long as a regular turbo and the EGr systems contribute to sludge problems in the engines which cut back on life of engine.

I'm sure Paccar could build a smaller truck and somebody would buy it, but I suspect it would be a high end vehicle for people with money to burn, aka.. people buying Hummers.

 

[KICK]

here is some irony if i can remember all the steps
gm sold detroit to penski
penski sold it to dalmler benz
they are now dalmer crysler aka dodge
so when do we see a ram with a v8 detroit or benz engine?
i might have missed a sale somewhere in there but i still think its funny

I suspect that at some time in the future you are going to see a Benz engine in the Dodge, if any other engine was to be offered.

Daimler also owns Freightliner, which explains the preponderance of Detroit Series 60's in those trucks.

daimler bought Freightliner with the intention of getting a dealer service networ so they could gradually wedge their Benz trucks and motors into the american market.

anybody seen those high roofed vans Dodge is selling, those are rebadged Benzes

detroit ( courtesy of Benz) was going to stop production of the Series 60, but they soon realized that american Truck owners operators weren't going to buy a Benz, they wanted that S60. so its still in production.

Detroit Diesel, MTU, Vm motori and Benz are all one big company now, making a line of engines from something like 70 hp to 4000 hp.

while Caterpillar offers some pretty good products, not all of them are as good as their reputation. plus they cost more... so it is a consideration when producing a vehicle that you also have to market it against the competition and if your diesle engine costs too much more than the other guys, you may lose sales.

 

[workinallthetime]

I suspect that at some time in the future you are going to see a Benz engine in the Dodge, if any other engine was to be offered.

Daimler also owns Freightliner, which explains the preponderance of Detroit Series 60's in those trucks.

daimler bought Freightliner with the intention of getting a dealer service networ so they could gradually wedge their Benz trucks and motors into the american market.

anybody seen those high roofed vans Dodge is selling, those are rebadged Benzes

detroit ( courtesy of Benz) was going to stop production of the Series 60, but they soon realized that american Truck owners operators weren't going to buy a Benz, they wanted that S60. so its still in production.

Detroit Diesel, MTU, Vm motori and Benz are all one big company now, making a line of engines from something like 70 hp to 4000 hp.

while Caterpillar offers some pretty good products, not all of them are as good as their reputation. plus they cost more... so it is a consideration when producing a vehicle that you also have to market it against the competition and if your diesle engine costs too much more than the other guys, you may lose sales.

see i knew someone would see and think along the same lines as me. benz has been building diesels along time and i bet they are pretty good at it, i still see those old d class smoking up the on ramps all the time. Also i think i read somewhere that they were the only manufaturer who would have a diesel car on the market for 07 due to the epa. that might be a good thing for dodge to offer a option of a benz diesel in some of their stuff like the durango or even a 1500 series truck. they could have skeeter on their commercials saying "that thing got a benz in it" lol

 

[Lucky1]

I owned a 6.5 chevy diesel 2500, the truck had 250,000 miles on it when I sold it. The 6.5 used no oil and never had any problems,( sold it to the garage that does our maintaince). Next bought chevy duramax, owned one year, towed terrible,warped alu. heads.and other problems. Bought ford 6.0 100,000 miles later still running great, tows 14 ft. dump trailer full of stone like a dream. Iguess this is why ford out sells all other diesel pick-ups.

 

[radman1]

I owned a 6.5 chevy diesel 2500, the truck had 250,000 miles on it when I sold it. The 6.5 used no oil and never had any problems,( sold it to the garage that does our maintaince). Next bought chevy duramax, owned one year, towed terrible,warped alu. heads.and other problems. Bought ford 6.0 100,000 miles later still running great, tows 14 ft. dump trailer full of stone like a dream. Iguess this is why ford out sells all other diesel pick-ups.

I am a ford guy with a 1999 F250 V10, but the ford 6.0 had many problems. Hopefully, the new 6.4 ford diesel will be better and they say had much more testing. Unfortunately, Navistar (International) stopped sending any more 6.4 engines this week to ford and production of ford's new '08 model has stopped. The trouble is over all the warranty repairs on the 6.0 engine. Ford says they owe money for part of the warranty repairs and Navistar says it doesn't. Ford was therefore paying less for the new engines to recoup the money they felt is owed to them. Navistar said no new engines. 75% of heavy duty pickup sales for ford are diesels. Both companies need each other and now ford's very profitable truck line and a newly launched product is out of production.

The new EPA requirements are also killing diesel fuel economy and driving up costs for everyone and becomes more strict in 2010. Price of diesel is now higher than gas at all times. It is difficult to justify the rational for diesel unless you are doing lots of pulling. Price of new ford diesel is over $6000 more than V10.

 

[em14]

I may have missed this in the news reports, but, just how much money was involved in the warranty payments ... seems that there would not be much. Or ... is there that big of a problem with these engines?
Leo

 

[radman1]

I may have missed this in the news reports, but, just how much money was involved in the warranty payments ... seems that there would not be much. Or ... is there that big of a problem with these engines?
Leo

Well the latest news is that a court now has given a temporary restraining order that Navistar has to resume shipping engines again. The facts are often distorted, but warranty costs were over 500 million. I believe the 6.0 started being used in 2002.

 

[em14]

Well the latest news is that a court now has given a temporary restraining order that Navistar has to resume shipping engines again. The facts are often distorted, but warranty costs were over 500 million. I believe the 6.0 started being used in 2002.

"warranty costs were over 500 million" .... WOW! no wonder all the fuss!

 

[rback33]

"warranty costs were over 500 million" .... WOW! no wonder all the fuss!

yeah.... that would do it.