Diesel Fuel question.....

[thatguy]

If you have trouble buying/locating dyed (non taxed) fuel you may also want to consider applying for a refund to your state agency for the state tax.. here in VA you fill out a form and submit it and the receipts to Dept of Motor Vehicles for any fuel purchased tax paid that was used for non-highway purposes (lawn mower, tractor, boat, generator, etc)..

I am not sure how (IF?) you can get a refund on the federal tax ($0.244/gal) though..

Brian

 

[HC-80]

AlanB--Thanks for the thorough post. My main purpose in posting was to make sure that I could use the fuel from the local station. I am 5 miles out of town, and I will be asking the farmer that cash rents the ground where he gets his fuel next time I see him.

I have been using about 25 gallons/month since I purchased the tractor in June. I imagine that would be typical except during hay making times. Not much rain here this summer, not much hay either.

Thanks, all, for posting, I believe my question has been answered.

Jeff

 

[AlanB]

25 gallons a month would make me want to have a drum and pump on-site.

Hope it all works well for you.

 

[LBrown59]

No matter where you live there should be a way for you to get off road red diesel.
Some body in your area is buying and using it so there is no reason i can see that you can't do the same.

 

[3RRL]

No matter where you live there should be a way for you to get off road red diesel.
Some body in your area is buying and using it so there is no reason i can see that you can't do the same.

Not true for all areas...try getting it in California. I have never found any out here.

 

[john_bud]

Not true for all areas...try getting it in California. I have never found any out here.

You can call the folks that supply the large farms with diesel. In the yellow pages - diesel fuel - . Have them install a tank, or do it yourself (if you are allowed).

jb

 

[LBrown59]

1*Not true for all areas...try getting it in California. I have never found any out here.
Originally Posted by 3RRL
*You can call the folks that supply the large farms with diesel. In the yellow pages - diesel fuel - .
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jb

1*I can't believe the California farmers and contractors are using on road diesel.
2*Call the people selling diesel to the California farmers and contractors. The farmers and contractors have to be getting their fuel somewhere.
There is no reason you can't get yours from the same source either directly or indirectly.

 

[SkyPup]

1*I can't believe the California farmers and contractors are using on road diesel.

Why not, there is no such thing as off road diesel fuel in California since the only choice is ULSD for both on and off road????

All the farmers and contractors outside of California throughout the rest of the USA are now using last years on-road 500ppm sulfur diesel fuel anyhow......

 

[3RRL]

You can call the folks that supply the large farms with diesel. In the yellow pages - diesel fuel - . Have them install a tank, or do it yourself (if you are allowed).

jb

Nope...
We can only apply for a tax refund on the fuel highway taxes...that is if you qualify as a bona fide agricultural user....not just an "off road" user. So guys like me out here are SOL. I use around ± 200 gallons a year for screwing around my property, but not for farming.

 

[DirtHauler]

Flying A; CDF and Redwood Coast sell "red" off road, I buy mine from Redwood Coast.

 

[john_bud]

Nope...
We can only apply for a tax refund on the fuel highway taxes...that is if you qualify as a bona fide agricultural user....not just an "off road" user. So guys like me out here are SOL. I use around ± 200 gallons a year for screwing around my property, but not for farming.

Huh?

That is wierd.


I get the feeling that your back up heating should be fuel oil. Yep, #2 fuel oil. Might be best to mix in some lubricity agents to keep the "furnace" pump in good order.

jb

 

[LBrown59]

Huh?

That is wierd.


I get the feeling that your back up heating should be fuel oil. Yep, #2 fuel oil. Might be best to mix in some lubricity agents to keep the "furnace" pump in good order.

jb

Home heating fuel oil and diesel fuel are the same thing here.
Surely the Cal.folks heating their homes with fuel oil/ home heating oil aren't going through this hoop (We can only apply for a tax refund on the fuel highway taxes...that is if you qualify as a bona fide agricultural user....not just an "off road"user.)

 

[LBrown59]

Nope...
We can only apply for a tax refund on the fuel highway taxes...that is if you qualify as a bona fide agricultural user....not just an "off road" user. So guys like me out here are SOL. I use around ± 200 gallons a year for screwing around my property, but not for farming.

How many farmers and construction companies do you see filling up their tractors and equipment at the truck stops and service stations?

If they're not there they must be buying the non taxed diesel somewhere else.

I can think of no reason why you could not buy the no tax diesel from the same place they get it.

If nothing else buy what you need from one of the farmers or construction companies or have your drum filled there when they get their tank filled.

 

[3RRL]

I'm sure the big users have their own tanks.
What I'm saying is I'm pretty sure they pay the going rate for the fuel, but they pay full price with all the taxes (whatever their deal is) and them get them refunded back at the end of the year. There's only one kind of diesel to buy and that's on road diesel. Unless I'm way off base, I'm pretty sure that's how California is doing it now.
Anybody in California buy the dyed off road diesel cheaper than on road diesel? I'd like to know.

 

[LBrown59]

1*Why not, there is no such thing as off road diesel fuel in California since the only choice is ULSD for both on and off road????
2*All the farmers and contractors outside of California throughout the rest of the USA are now using last years on-road 500ppm sulfur diesel fuel anyhow......

1*Even if there is only one formula you should be able to buy it un died taxed or died non taxed.
I'm not talking about 2 different formulas of diesel.
The point I'm making is from the tax stand point only.
2* So are you saying that when this supply is gone all of these folks will be charged tax on the fuel they use off road?

 

[LBrown59]

*Anybody in California buy the dyed off road diesel cheaper than on road diesel? I'd like to know.

*Here's one!
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/1199309-post30.html

 

[LBrown59]

1* I'm sure the big users have their own tanks.
2*What I'm saying is I'm pretty sure they pay the going rate for the fuel, but they pay full price with all the taxes (whatever their deal is) and them get them refunded back at the end of the year.
3* There's only one kind of diesel to buy and that's on road diesel.
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1*And the red diesel is in them.
2*Are you absolutely sure about this or are you assuming?
I'd be checking with some of these users and find out the real story.
At any rate it has to be the red diesel otherwise these folks could be running it in their on road vehicles right along with letting all of their friends and relatives fill their on road vehicles from their tanks.
3*I'd say it's more like one formula but 2 different colors and taxes.

 

[3RRL]

He doesn't say it's cheaper than on road diesel in that statement. That's what I want to know. Can you buy off road diesel without paying the the taxes, or does he still have to write it off at the end of the year?
I'm asking...

 

[LBrown59]

He doesn't say it's cheaper than on road diesel in that statement. That's what I want to know. Can you buy off road diesel without paying the the taxes, or does he still have to write it off at the end of the year?I'm asking...


1*He doesn't say it's cheaper than on road diesel in that statement.
2*I'm asking...Can you buy off road diesel without paying the taxes, or does he still have to write it off at the end of the year?
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1*It must be = other wise what would be the point in buying it????
2- *I think we're both asking the same thing just going about it in different ways?

 

[LBrown59]

What I'm saying is I'm pretty sure they pay the going rate for the fuel, but they pay full price with all the taxes and them get them refunded back at the end of the year .

This sucks; I mean it really really sucks.
Why should people that don't use fuel on the roads be forced into giving the Government and interest free loan year in and year out ??????