The issue with off road diesel fuel is
1* many generator users think their home heating oil is off road fuel.
2*They do not realize that it can contain up to 50% Kerosine.
3*The EPA also approves those engines for use with automotive diesel fuel.
1*They are right.
2*So can/does on road .
3*That is the same as off road fuel except for the color .
Say I'm going to buy 2 cars that are alike encept one is red and the other one is white.
How does that make the white one better than the red one ???
4*Personally i wouldn't risk a denial of warranty work on this gen set.
5*Just run on road diesel. Keep 20 gal of it on hand and rotate it for use with the tractor as needed to keep it fresh. I mean your talking like $0.30/gal x 20 gal = $6.00.
6*Not worth risking the warranty for this.
4*I would not do that either.
5*Like another poster explained why do that when you can simply buy another brand and avoid all the hassle all together?
6*The best way to avoid this risk is to avoid the product.
7* I think it's more of a case of the retailer not knowing their product and the mfg not knowing that the US no longer sells high sulfur off road diesel.
A lot of countries still allow high sulfur diesel (mixed with who knows what) to be sold. I would assume that the owners manual is written in Chinese and poorly translated into English.
8*The seller should know this but clearly has no clue.
7*That's enough uknowns to scare me away from a product.
8*Why buy from the cluless when there are so many other who have most if not all the clues ?
9*That's a whole lot of 'not knowing' and = I would not buy from them if they really don't 'know' what they are selling, who they are selling to / market.. etc.
10*that's all apart of being in business... knowing your market, and it's environment.. rules, regulations.
9*I second that.
10*that scares me them not appearing to know this.
11*Not hard to tell who lives on the forums and what the agenda is.
11*I don't understand this statement .
What are you trying to say?
12*Do I smell a mole
12*Maybe.
I agree 100%.. it's either a way (another way 0 for them to get out of the warranty.. or they are clueless.. or both.
13*that would be -3- good reasons to NOT buy fromthem in my book!
13*I'm with you on that.
14*What he said, AND if a manufacturer is looking for ways to blow off warranty claims I wouldn't buy from them and they must KNOW they make an inferior product to begin with.
Walk away. Better yet- RUN away!:thumbsup:
14*Well stated.
I suspect you're right. 5 posts, and 4 of them make direct reference to Aurora Generators. But that's OK - as long as he's open about it.
15* I simply would like the straight answer on the diesel fuel/warranty issue,
16*I would like to see if Aurora understands that the off-road diesel I buy for my boat and tractor is road fuel, except for added taxes and dye.
15*It's a senless issue because of they are cluless about fuel .
16*They don't get it.
17*that's the issue I see.. no difference except the tax and dye here in florida..
18*i cain't imagne the dye or the tax effecting the aurora engine
19*if the engine is sensitive to the dye, then they have a bad design.
i have been in places where even the road fuel is tinted.. just tinted a different color than the offroad. last funny place I got fuel when isaw that the fuel was tinted blue or greenish.. for sure not the 'clear' or slight yellowish of the onroad diesel here.. but for sure different than the red dyed diesel for off road.
thus if it is not a dye issue.. then that leaves a tax issue.. not sure how the engine tracks the tax.. but if it does.. i'd say they are over-building it
20*thus.. it's a same 50ppm / 50ppm sulfure issue, plus some dye and tax..
17*Same here in Ohio.
18*Seems they can
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19*:laughing:
20*I think you made am error.
I think you ment to say 15ppm / 15ppm.
EPA Tier 4 Interim requires ULSD. Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel.
ULSD is no more than 15 PPM (Look it up)
21*You think your off road diesel at 50 ppm is fine. It is not.
22*The reasons are because of emission laws and particulate filters. You will plug them up.
23* look at Perkins website and the 403 or 404D EPA engines and see they too require 15 ppm or less.
24*You just said it, your off road fuel is 50 ppm.
21*This was a typo he ment to say 15ppm.
BTY why since the comversion 95 to 100 percent of all fuel produecd now is 15ppm.
Could you tell me where I might purchase the 50ppm in this day and age ?
The problem is you and many others like you are behind the times.
22*This isn't true because today everything is 15ppm.
23*Then they are behind the times like you and many others,
24*That was a mistake .See his updated post.
15 i believe is what i meant to type.. IE.. the ULSD not sure where i grabbed 50 from.. I know that was an older spec from 00 . Starting in 06 80% of production for NA had to be 15 ppm..
25*by now.. can't find anything other than 15ppm here, at least in my area, on or off road.
26*that's our point dustpile. It makes no sense for the manufacturer to claim off road fuel is bad for the genny if the offroad fuel, in reality, is the same grade as on road fuel, but with dye and tax differences.
27*the 50/15 was a typeo on my part...
25*Same here.
26*Between the myths old wives tales and being outdated he like many others is really confused and missinformed. .
27*I knew that but some one missinformed would not catch it.
28*This does not answer the question why Aurora (you?) demand road fuel for your (Aurora's?) generator engines. In fact, you're supporting the arguement that off-road fuel is fine.
29*Since it is IDENTICAL except for dye and tax, is off-road fuel acceptable? If not, why not?
28*It sure don't.
29* Very good QUESTIONS !
30*I'm sure a bunch of us would like to hear his ( Aurora's ) answer to that direct question. IE.. 15ppm fuel, off or on road, with / without tax or dye.. is it ok to use, and if not.. why not, if the only difference is tax and dye.
30*You got that right.
As one previous guy stated...."a way for them to weasel out of a warrenty claim"
I really would like to buy one....but
31*I'm not and storing ANOTHER fuel when I already have it there for the tractor.
32*Hope Aurora responds and re-considers their statements.
Thanks for the call to action.
Rob:thumbsup:
31*I don't blame you .
I wouldn't do that either especially for such a frivolous reason .
32*I think it's time they got up to speed.
